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Title: DC Extended Universe
Post by: HarryTrotter on December 16, 2015, 07:08:45 PM
I guess we need a thread for that?Full list of planed movies can be found on wikipedia,so Im not gonna list them.
We are also getting Krypton,a prequel show to Superman like Gotham is to Batman.On SyFy.Well F...
Along the road we also have Blue Beetle and Booster Gold,Shazam and Justice League Dark.Fables and Sandman are being discussed.
Title: Re: DC Extended Universe
Post by: JeyNyce on December 17, 2015, 01:45:11 AM
Yeah, a topic like this was bound to pop up sooner or later.  I just hope DC give us more info to get excited over or drop hints/ clues in the Batman v Superman & Suicide Squad movies.
Title: Re: DC Extended Universe
Post by: Talavar on December 17, 2015, 02:34:03 AM
It needs to be mentioned what is going to count in the burgeoning DC Cinematic Universe:  Gotham, Arrow and Flash shows don't, and potential Fables and Sandman films won't, but I'm not sure about Shazam or the Krypton show.
Title: Re: DC Extended Universe
Post by: GhostMachine on December 17, 2015, 04:17:14 AM
I just don't see Krypton working as a long concept show. But I could be wrong.

Marvel has gotten it right with their movies and tv shows, for the most part. (The recent Fantastic Four movie being the exception) That's not happening with DC, unfortunately. TV shows, yes. Movies, no. (Constantine had good casting and acting, but bad writing)

I think they're doing a disservice to Stephen Amell and Grant Gustin by even announcing Green Arrow and Flash movies with different actors while the tv shows are still running.
Title: Re: DC Extended Universe
Post by: Shogunn2517 on December 17, 2015, 05:50:21 AM
Quote from: GhostMachine on December 17, 2015, 04:17:14 AM
I just don't see Krypton working as a long concept show. But I could be wrong.

Marvel has gotten it right with their movies and tv shows, for the most part. (The recent Fantastic Four movie being the exception) That's not happening with DC, unfortunately. TV shows, yes. Movies, no. (Constantine had good casting and acting, but bad writing)

I think they're doing a disservice to Stephen Amell and Grant Gustin by even announcing Green Arrow and Flash movies with different actors while the tv shows are still running.

COMPLETELY agree!  It's like they're wasting talent.  Which is why it ain't too surprising SA has been talking about jumping to Marvel.  I'm sure it wouldn't happen, but I have to imagine he and GG must be feeling some sort of way for not getting on the big screen and not having any sort of chance to.
Title: Re: DC Extended Universe
Post by: HarryTrotter on December 17, 2015, 06:12:20 AM
DC in their infinite wisdom decided that movie Flash will be Barry Allen.And in roughy the same age as Grant Gustins Flash.
It will end up pretty similar or it will be hated by fans of the show.Probably both.
Yes,Krypton will be a MoS prequel,and no,I dont see it working either.
Title: Re: DC Extended Universe
Post by: catwhowalksbyhimself on December 17, 2015, 09:50:59 PM
Quote from: GhostMachine on December 17, 2015, 04:17:14 AM
(The recent Fantastic Four movie being the exception)

The Fantastic Four movie had nothing whatsoever to do with marvel.  Marvel's even canceled their Fan 4 series and gone so far as to pull some licenses for the characters, such as forcing the Fantastic 4 Marvel Lengendary expansion to go out of print.  They want nothing whatsoever to do with it.
Title: Re: DC Extended Universe
Post by: HarryTrotter on December 18, 2015, 11:12:48 AM
DC,people,focus...
Fables will probably be a standalone project(IMO it would function better as a series),but Sandman could be in the same continuity as the rest.It did take place in the DC universe,even if it didnt have too many crossovers.
Actually,Neil Gaiman said Vertigo movies will have their own universe,but there is a possibility of a crossover in Dark Universe.Which IIRC is directed by Guillermo Del Torro will possibly have Matt Ryan as John Constantine.If DC allows it,ofc.
Title: Re: DC Extended Universe
Post by: Talavar on December 18, 2015, 04:39:03 PM
Quote from: Spade on December 18, 2015, 11:12:48 AM
DC,people,focus...
Fables will probably be a standalone project(IMO it would function better as a series),but Sandman could be in the same continuity as the rest.It did take place in the DC universe,even if it didnt have too many crossovers.
Actually,Neil Gaiman said Vertigo movies will have their own universe,but there is a possibility of a crossover in Dark Universe.Which IIRC is directed by Guillermo Del Torro will possibly have Matt Ryan as John Constantine.If DC allows it,ofc.

Guillermo Del Toro was attached to Justice League After Dark, but has since moved on to other projects.

Sandman was confusing - it started out in the DC Universe (with appearances by Martian Manhunter and Dr. Destiny), but partway through the run got shifted out by editorial, with later references to Superman and Bizarro superman-esque characters using obvious stand-ins rather than the characters themselves.
Title: Re: DC Extended Universe
Post by: HarryTrotter on December 18, 2015, 06:20:08 PM
Yes,but character from Sandman continued to appear in main DC titles to this day.
A number of Vertigo titles started in the DCU but detached later.Hellblazer,(later)Swamp thing,(later)Animal man were all kinda in their pocket universe(s).They could crossover,but they werent a firm part.
Geoff Johns explained it as multiverse,so in theory,any 2 current or future adaptations could have a crossover.In theory.
Title: Re: DC Extended Universe
Post by: Glitch Girl on December 18, 2015, 08:48:34 PM
Not quite related, but wanted to share this

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x3Btc8suerE

Edited together from footage of existing live action DC media.  Heck, I'd watch it.
Title: Re: DC Extended Universe
Post by: HarryTrotter on December 22, 2015, 10:58:04 AM
www.comicbookresources.com/article/henry-cavill-explains-how-his-clark-kent-differs-from-christopher-reeves (http://www.comicbookresources.com/article/henry-cavill-explains-how-his-clark-kent-differs-from-christopher-reeves)
Other then neck breaking and leaving his father to die?Is he kidding?
Title: Re: DC Extended Universe
Post by: HarryTrotter on January 18, 2016, 11:09:15 AM
www.theouthousers.com/index.php/news/134236-official-posters-of-the-joker-harley-quinn-and-will-smith-from-suicide-squad-released.html (http://www.theouthousers.com/index.php/news/134236-official-posters-of-the-joker-harley-quinn-and-will-smith-from-suicide-squad-released.html)
Official Posters for Suicide Squad.
Title: Re: DC Extended Universe
Post by: Midnite on January 19, 2016, 06:43:57 PM
(http://i.kinja-img.com/gawker-media/image/upload/s--Lgsl77QJ--/c_scale,fl_progressive,q_80,w_800/o8nf3rzmwj7tphgre9vk.png)

Our First Look at the Justice League Is Here, and It's Damn Rad (http://io9.gizmodo.com/our-first-official-look-at-the-justice-league-is-here-1753776320)
Title: Re: DC Extended Universe
Post by: Midnite on January 19, 2016, 06:54:12 PM
(http://cdn3-www.superherohype.com/assets/uploads/gallery/suicide-squad/d4a65bda5131bde968111034cce8f4f33537875d-1.jpg)

Suicide Squad Poster Assembles the Whole Rotten Crew (http://www.superherohype.com/news/363061-suicide-squad-poster-assembles-the-whole-rotten-crew#/slide/1)
Title: Re: DC Extended Universe
Post by: HarryTrotter on January 20, 2016, 03:52:10 PM
www.theouthousers.com/index.php/news/134262-breaking-heres-an-article-of-logos-taken-from-last-nights-dc-movie-special.html (http://www.theouthousers.com/index.php/news/134262-breaking-heres-an-article-of-logos-taken-from-last-nights-dc-movie-special.html)
Logos and relese dates.2018 is the big year.
Title: Re: DC Extended Universe
Post by: HarryTrotter on March 10, 2016, 05:12:03 PM
Just for fun: You guys think Deadpool might have opened a way for an Animal-man movie?
Title: Re: DC Extended Universe
Post by: JeyNyce on March 10, 2016, 06:03:18 PM
Quote from: Spade on March 10, 2016, 05:12:03 PM
Just for fun: You guys think Deadpool might have opened a way for an Animal-man movie?

I don't think so.  Animal Man would probably do better on Arrow or Flash than on the big screen.  Honestly I can't DC doing a R rated movie......I take that back, if they did a Lobo movie, it would have to be rated R
Title: Re: DC Extended Universe
Post by: HarryTrotter on March 10, 2016, 06:09:29 PM
Well...BvS will have an R-version.I dont really see Arrow or Flash doing a cosmic horror story...And the movie would be a great chance to take creator cameos to the next level.
Title: Re: DC Extended Universe
Post by: catwhowalksbyhimself on March 10, 2016, 08:49:08 PM
Quote from: Spade on March 10, 2016, 06:09:29 PM
Well...BvS will have an R-version.I dont really see Arrow or Flash doing a cosmic horror story...And the movie would be a great chance to take creator cameos to the next level.

R-Rated on Bluray and maybe DVD only, I should point out.  I think that's stupid to even have that with this particular property, but whatever.
Title: Re: DC Extended Universe
Post by: HarryTrotter on March 11, 2016, 06:10:48 AM
Yes,it is stupid.But Deadpool made it,so Superhero movies are now all R-rated.Okay,there were cases before.Watchman and KickAss were R rated,but those arent exactly classical superhero movies.
Title: Re: DC Extended Universe
Post by: catwhowalksbyhimself on March 11, 2016, 10:27:49 AM
Quote from: Spade on March 11, 2016, 06:10:48 AM
Yes,it is stupid.But Deadpool made it,so Superhero movies are now all R-rated.Okay,there were cases before.Watchman and KickAss were R rated,but those arent exactly classical superhero movies.

Marvel has come out and announced that they have no interest in R-rated movies, so this is not as true as you think.  DC might go that route, but Marvel themselves are not.
Title: Re: DC Extended Universe
Post by: HarryTrotter on March 11, 2016, 12:02:11 PM
You mean just Marvel Studios?Fox is obviously doing R adaptations of Marvels comic.And Superior,and KickAss 3(I hear),and Empress...Mark Millar stuff that is.
No news on Bloodshots rating,but that could be R easily.We shall see next year.
Title: Re: DC Extended Universe
Post by: catwhowalksbyhimself on March 11, 2016, 11:57:21 PM
Quote from: Spade on March 11, 2016, 12:02:11 PM
You mean just Marvel Studios?Fox is obviously doing R adaptations of Marvels comic.And Superior,and KickAss 3(I hear),and Empress...Mark Millar stuff that is.
No news on Bloodshots rating,but that could be R easily.We shall see next year.

Marvel has no control over what Fox does, so I shouldn't have to add the word "studios" in there.
Title: Re: DC Extended Universe
Post by: HarryTrotter on March 12, 2016, 06:29:07 AM
I know.Just saying there will be R adaptations of Marvel comics.And other comics.
Title: Re: DC Extended Universe
Post by: catwhowalksbyhimself on March 12, 2016, 03:38:13 PM
You said, and I quote "Superhero movies are all R rated."  Now obviously, you didn't mean that quite literally, but a huge chunk of all superhero movies being made are the Marvel Studios ones and they aren't going to make any.  DC's only going to do so on video.  I'm sure there will be more in future, but there's no sign of the huge trend you are talking about and with Marvel themselves firmly against it, the majority of superhero movies will continue to not be R.

There you go, you went and made me waste my time with a long explanation, when my briefer one should have done.
Title: Re: DC Extended Universe
Post by: HarryTrotter on March 12, 2016, 04:57:24 PM
I was really only trying to say that Deadpool might have started a trend.And that it an Animal-man movie would be cool.  :)
Title: Re: DC Extended Universe
Post by: Tomato on May 02, 2016, 12:02:05 AM
So... After DC made such a big deal about how all its movies are "creator driven" and how they didn't want to hamper the creative voices of their creators by trying to shoehorn everything into a larger cinematic universe (comments that were clearly intended as a sleight against Marvel's poor track record with directors) Flash director Seth Grahame-Smith just quit the project citing "creative differences" with the studio.

http://screenrant.com/flash-movie-loses-director-grahame-smith/

I'm not normally that guy, but it does amuse me that this is happening to WB after they made such a big deal about catering to their creators.
Title: Re: DC Extended Universe
Post by: BentonGrey on May 02, 2016, 01:17:05 AM
These days I'm always be happy to enjoy the schadenfreude of WB's misfortunes.
Title: Re: DC Extended Universe
Post by: catwhowalksbyhimself on May 02, 2016, 02:09:20 AM
From what I understand, it's because of the response to Batman v Superman.  They decided they needed to reign in Snyder and are apparently now similarly worried about other directors.  There are also reports that Snyder may not be back for Justice League after all because they are that upset over how the first film went.

Of course, this is going to pose a problem with the directors they've already lined up, since they were told they'd have that sort of freedom and it is now being taken away from them.
Title: Re: DC Extended Universe
Post by: Talavar on May 02, 2016, 02:48:39 AM
There are rumours that the guy lined up to direct Aquaman is considering walking away as well.  Wheels just keep falling off this thing!
Title: Re: DC Extended Universe
Post by: catwhowalksbyhimself on May 02, 2016, 03:13:27 AM
I forgot about that one.  But yeah, they are trying to course correct by taking more control and that is only resulting in their directors walking.

It's like they have no idea how to run a movie universe or something.
Title: Re: DC Extended Universe
Post by: BentonGrey on May 02, 2016, 04:19:24 AM
Imagine that, Cat.  It's almost as if putting your fingers in your ears and humming, steadfastly refusing to learn from folks doing something successfully, is a bad strategy...as if anyone would actually care if they "copied" Marvel, insofar as "copying" them means having people who actually care about and understand the characters make good movies about them.
Title: Re: DC Extended Universe
Post by: Tomato on May 02, 2016, 05:37:57 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w1seGmUrFUk

rewatched this earlier today, and it basically sums it up, I think. They're so afraid to embrace their own universe.
Title: Re: DC Extended Universe
Post by: HarryTrotter on May 02, 2016, 05:43:08 AM
And it looks like director Seth Grahame-Smith walked out from Flash.
Title: Re: DC Extended Universe
Post by: Tomato on May 02, 2016, 05:54:52 AM
Quote from: Tomato on May 02, 2016, 12:02:05 AM
So... After DC made such a big deal about how all its movies are "creator driven" and how they didn't want to hamper the creative voices of their creators by trying to shoehorn everything into a larger cinematic universe (comments that were clearly intended as a sleight against Marvel's poor track record with directors) Flash director Seth Grahame-Smith just quit the project citing "creative differences" with the studio.

http://screenrant.com/flash-movie-loses-director-grahame-smith/

I'm not normally that guy, but it does amuse me that this is happening to WB after they made such a big deal about catering to their creators.

Quote from: Spade on May 02, 2016, 05:43:08 AM
And it looks like director Seth Grahame-Smith walked out from Flash.

Yep. he sure did.  :P
Title: Re: DC Extended Universe
Post by: HarryTrotter on May 02, 2016, 06:03:23 AM
Not sure if thats a good thing or a bad thing.
Title: Re: DC Extended Universe
Post by: Talavar on May 02, 2016, 01:30:59 PM
Quote from: Spade on May 02, 2016, 06:03:23 AM
Not sure if thats a good thing or a bad thing.

Well, he's never directed a movie, so his skill there is an unknown, but it doesn't inspire much confidence that a guy was willing to walk away from his potential big break.
Title: Re: DC Extended Universe
Post by: kkhohoho on May 02, 2016, 01:35:59 PM
Quote from: Talavar on May 02, 2016, 01:30:59 PM
Quote from: Spade on May 02, 2016, 06:03:23 AM
Not sure if thats a good thing or a bad thing.

Well, he's never directed a movie, so his skill there is an unknown, but it doesn't inspire much confidence that a guy was willing to walk away from his potential big break.

And not to mention, but looking at his resume, the guy wrote Pride&Prejudice With Zombies and freaking Abraham Lincoln: Vampire Hunter. The guy writes black comedy/horror for a living, and while I'm not saying it isn't possible for him to do other stuff, it's still baffling how you'd even consider letting someone with that particular pedigree write the fricking Flash. Unless it was actually supposed to be an adaptation of Blackest Night in disguise, (which I really wouldn't put past DC these days,) I honestly think him leaving the project might have been the best move.
Title: Re: DC Extended Universe
Post by: HarryTrotter on May 02, 2016, 04:47:20 PM
http://www.comicbookresources.com/article/james-wan-addresses-rumor-that-hes-dropped-out-of-directing-aquaman (http://www.comicbookresources.com/article/james-wan-addresses-rumor-that-hes-dropped-out-of-directing-aquaman)
James Wan isnt going anywhere after all.
Anyway,who thought that the guy behind Saw and Furious 7 would be a good choice for Aquaman?What was the thought process behind that? :|
Title: Re: DC Extended Universe
Post by: Talavar on May 02, 2016, 04:47:37 PM
Quote from: kkhohoho on May 02, 2016, 01:35:59 PM
Quote from: Talavar on May 02, 2016, 01:30:59 PM
Quote from: Spade on May 02, 2016, 06:03:23 AM
Not sure if thats a good thing or a bad thing.

Well, he's never directed a movie, so his skill there is an unknown, but it doesn't inspire much confidence that a guy was willing to walk away from his potential big break.

And not to mention, but looking at his resume, the guy wrote Pride&Prejudice With Zombies and freaking Abraham Lincoln: Vampire Hunter. The guy writes black comedy/horror for a living, and while I'm not saying it isn't possible for him to do other stuff, it's still baffling how you'd even consider letting someone with that particular pedigree write the fricking Flash. Unless it was actually supposed to be an adaptation of Blackest Night in disguise, (which I really wouldn't put past DC these days,) I honestly think him leaving the project might have been the best move.

True, though the Flash script was written by Phil Lord & Christopher Miller, of Lego Movie, 21 Jump Street, and others.  Giving up a chance to direct a big superhero movie written by proven successes takes some guts.
Title: Re: DC Extended Universe
Post by: BentonGrey on May 02, 2016, 10:31:33 PM
Who thought that literally any single choice made by the empty suits in charge would be a good idea? :P
Title: Re: DC Extended Universe
Post by: Silver Shocker on May 04, 2016, 11:07:53 AM
Quote from: kkhohoho on May 02, 2016, 01:35:59 PM
Quote from: Talavar on May 02, 2016, 01:30:59 PM
Quote from: Spade on May 02, 2016, 06:03:23 AM
Not sure if thats a good thing or a bad thing.

Well, he's never directed a movie, so his skill there is an unknown, but it doesn't inspire much confidence that a guy was willing to walk away from his potential big break.

And not to mention, but looking at his resume, the guy wrote Pride&Prejudice With Zombies and freaking Abraham Lincoln: Vampire Hunter. The guy writes black comedy/horror for a living, and while I'm not saying it isn't possible for him to do other stuff, it's still baffling how you'd even consider letting someone with that particular pedigree write the fricking Flash. Unless it was actually supposed to be an adaptation of Blackest Night in disguise, (which I really wouldn't put past DC these days,) I honestly think him leaving the project might have been the best move.

Based on that description, you'd think he'd be more suited for Suicide Squad.
Title: Re: DC Extended Universe
Post by: catwhowalksbyhimself on May 20, 2016, 01:02:54 AM
Warner Bros has decided that maybe not having anyone overseeing their movie universe wasn't so great of an idea, so Geoff Johns is now in charge and has pledged to bring hope and optimism to the brand.  About where he wants to take the brand, he had this to say about Superman.

Quote"I think people make a mistake when they say, 'Superman's not relatable because he's so powerful,'" he said. "I'm like, 'Are you kidding me? He's a farmboy from Kansas who moves to the city and just wants to do the best he can with what he's got.' That's the most relatable character in the world."

So, that sounds a bit better.

http://screenrant.com/geoff-johns-dc-movies-hope-optimism/
Title: Re: DC Extended Universe
Post by: Talavar on May 20, 2016, 02:47:15 AM
Quote from: catwhowalksbyhimself on May 20, 2016, 01:02:54 AM
Warner Bros has decided that maybe not having anyone overseeing their movie universe wasn't so great of an idea, so Geoff Johns is now in charge and has pledged to bring hope and optimism to the brand.  About where he wants to take the brand, he had this to say about Superman.

Quote"I think people make a mistake when they say, 'Superman's not relatable because he's so powerful,'" he said. "I'm like, 'Are you kidding me? He's a farmboy from Kansas who moves to the city and just wants to do the best he can with what he's got.' That's the most relatable character in the world."

So, that sounds a bit better.

http://screenrant.com/geoff-johns-dc-movies-hope-optimism/

And the DC based films are getting their own sub-studio: DC Films, with Johns as its head.  Let's hope this works out better.  It definitely sounds more promising.
Title: Re: DC Extended Universe
Post by: HarryTrotter on May 20, 2016, 01:45:02 PM
Well Geoff Johns AND Jon Berg,to be precise.
Title: Re: DC Extended Universe
Post by: BentonGrey on May 20, 2016, 02:12:53 PM
Well, that certainly sounds better.  This is what they should have done to begin with, but the trouble is, they're already partway through.  Their cinematic universe is going to be hobbled by what came before. 
Title: Re: DC Extended Universe
Post by: daglob on May 20, 2016, 03:21:16 PM
Maybe they can say it was a dream, a horrible, horrible, dream. Maybe a red kryptonite-induced delusion? Zero-Hour it out of existence? Ignore it?

I've always thought that Henry Cavill's Superman looked more like Ultraman anyway...
Title: Re: DC Extended Universe
Post by: BentonGrey on May 20, 2016, 04:09:18 PM
I'd be entirely alright with them beginning the Justice League movie by having Batman or Superman wake up and say, 'wow, what a horrible dream.  Everything was so dark and miserable and terribly written!'
Title: Re: DC Extended Universe
Post by: HarryTrotter on May 20, 2016, 06:07:14 PM
I wonder how would Superboy Prime react to the DCEU?
Title: Re: DC Extended Universe
Post by: abenavides on May 20, 2016, 07:39:47 PM
Johns getting the big chair is definitely cause for optimism (just a little).
I had seen that article where he talks about brining hope back, and it sounds like he at least knows what's wrong.
Title: Re: DC Extended Universe
Post by: daglob on May 20, 2016, 09:01:54 PM
Quote from: BentonGrey on May 20, 2016, 04:09:18 PM
I'd be entirely alright with them beginning the Justice League movie by having Batman or Superman wake up and say, 'wow, what a horrible dream.  Everything was so dark and miserable and terribly written!'

:D
Title: Re: DC Extended Universe
Post by: catwhowalksbyhimself on May 25, 2016, 02:28:18 AM
The Batman V Superman producer who was going to produce most of the other universe films just got pulled off all of them.
Title: Re: DC Extended Universe
Post by: spydermann93 on May 25, 2016, 06:06:32 AM
Quote from: catwhowalksbyhimself on May 25, 2016, 02:28:18 AM
The Batman V Superman producer who was going to produce most of the other universe films just got pulled off all of them.

Really?

Wow.

Like, wow.
Title: Re: DC Extended Universe
Post by: BWPS on May 30, 2016, 03:55:53 PM
Quote from: BentonGrey on May 20, 2016, 04:09:18 PM
I'd be entirely alright with them beginning the Justice League movie by having Batman or Superman wake up and say, 'wow, what a horrible dream.  Everything was so dark and miserable and terribly written!'

"And thank God I'm not Ben Affleck!"
Title: Re: DC Extended Universe
Post by: Tomato on May 30, 2016, 08:19:46 PM
Y'know, to be fair, for the material he was given, Ben Affleck did FANTASTIC in the role. It's not Ben's fault the story was a hot mess and Snyder can't edit a film properly to save his life.
Title: Re: DC Extended Universe
Post by: BWPS on May 30, 2016, 11:12:33 PM
Quote from: Tomato on May 30, 2016, 08:19:46 PM
Y'know, to be fair, for the material he was given, Ben Affleck did FANTASTIC in the role. It's not Ben's fault the story was a hot mess and Snyder can't edit a film properly to save his life.

Nah. He was a sticky gumshoe.
Title: Re: DC Extended Universe
Post by: HarryTrotter on June 22, 2016, 05:23:00 AM
http://screenrant.com/justice-league-synopsis-logo/ (http://screenrant.com/justice-league-synopsis-logo/)
It doesnt really say anything new,but its news so I figured I should post it.
This means at least 2 more movies from Snyder.I am not amused.
Title: Re: DC Extended Universe
Post by: Talavar on June 22, 2016, 01:02:06 PM
How does this mean at least 2 more movies from Snyder?

In related news, a lot of movie sites were invited to the Justice League set last night, trying to turn around perceptions of the DCEU.  You can find some good reports on that visit here:http://birthmoviesdeath.com/2016/06/21/a-hater-tours-the-justice-league-set (http://birthmoviesdeath.com/2016/06/21/a-hater-tours-the-justice-league-set) and here: http://io9.gizmodo.com/on-the-set-of-justice-league-the-movie-that-wants-to-s-1782290344 (http://io9.gizmodo.com/on-the-set-of-justice-league-the-movie-that-wants-to-s-1782290344)

One of the details coming from these visits--it seems like Justice League is its own movie, no longer being referred to as part 1.  I'm sure they've got sequels planned, but it's no longer being conceived as a 2-part film.
Title: Re: DC Extended Universe
Post by: HarryTrotter on June 22, 2016, 01:17:37 PM
I thought Justice League is in 2 parts.Okay,1 more movie?
Title: Re: DC Extended Universe
Post by: kkhohoho on June 22, 2016, 02:29:38 PM
I was pretty sure Snyder was pulled off of the Justice League movies because of what happened with BvS, though I could be wrong.
Title: Re: DC Extended Universe
Post by: HarryTrotter on June 22, 2016, 03:08:56 PM
From the article I linked above:
Directed by Zack Snyder, this marks the big screen debut of the Justice League, featuring an all-star lineup: Ben Affleck, Henry Cavill, Gal Gadot, Jason Momoa, Ezra Miller and Ray Fisher.
:thumbdown:
Title: Re: DC Extended Universe
Post by: Talavar on June 22, 2016, 04:06:08 PM
Quote from: Spade on June 22, 2016, 01:17:37 PM
I thought Justice League is in 2 parts.Okay,1 more movie?

Oh, it was definitely billed initially as 2 parts.  I thought you meant two more beyond Justice League.
Title: Re: DC Extended Universe
Post by: HarryTrotter on June 22, 2016, 04:16:21 PM
Now,THAT would be scary.
I know its reserved for a later movie(IF they get that far),but it doesn't feel like Justice league without a Green Lantern.Thou that will probably be the least of the problems.
Title: Re: DC Extended Universe
Post by: Tomato on August 17, 2016, 01:25:58 AM
Film Theory: Can the Joker Save DC Films? (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QEHW-9x9QMI)

So most of the video is just kinda silly (it's part 2 in a discussion of the 3 Joker reveal in the N52, and I just don't care about it like, at all) the latter half presented an interesting take on the state of the DCU that I figured could start a discussion outside of "OMG WB is awful why isn't Snyder fired yet" I think we've all grown weary of.
Title: Re: DC Extended Universe
Post by: spydermann93 on August 17, 2016, 01:35:16 AM
heh, I just got done watching that about 30 minutes ago.

Kind of interesting video, but surprisingly nothing that was really "thought altering" to me as Film/Game Theory usually is for me. I don't know. Maybe it's because I'm a huge comic nerd so none of that stuff was actually news or revealatory to me :P

But yeah, it is nice to hear something other than "TEH DCEU IS DOOOMED!!!!!1!!1"
Title: Re: DC Extended Universe
Post by: OrWolvie1 on August 18, 2016, 03:04:06 AM
Just heard this interesting little tidbit regarding the upcoming Flash movie.

Spoiler
http://www.tracking-board.com/ray-fisher-set-to-appear-in-the-flash-as-cyborg/ (http://www.tracking-board.com/ray-fisher-set-to-appear-in-the-flash-as-cyborg/)
Title: Re: DC Extended Universe
Post by: HarryTrotter on December 14, 2016, 10:37:53 AM
http://deadline.com/2016/12/patrick-wilson-aquaman-orm-ocean-master-dc-villain-jason-momoa-1201869055/ (http://deadline.com/2016/12/patrick-wilson-aquaman-orm-ocean-master-dc-villain-jason-momoa-1201869055/)
Nite Owl is Ocean Master.Which is funny,I guess?
Title: Re: DC Extended Universe
Post by: Shogunn2517 on January 12, 2017, 08:06:17 PM
So the main characters and premise of 2020's Green Lantern Corps movie has been released...


Spoiler

http://comicbook.com/2017/01/12/green-lantern-corps-movie-hal-jordan-jon-stewart/

Apparently they're going for Lethal Weapon in space.
Title: Re: DC Extended Universe
Post by: BentonGrey on January 12, 2017, 09:30:48 PM
That could actually work....well, if someone else were making it.
Title: Re: DC Extended Universe
Post by: Tomato on March 25, 2017, 08:40:49 PM
So. the new Justice League Trailer dropped. Against my better judgement, I watched it.

...

I think it says it all that the only thing that I cared about was that Aquaman's costume is more like his classic now. Everything else... eh. Much like with the last teaser, I feel like JL is trying to be all "look, see, we're fun now! We have jokes! PLEASE COME BACK TO US!"

Granted, that means I'm more likely to actually watch it than I was for BvS (which I flat out admit I refused to pay money to see. I will watch marvel movies in theaters and buy blu rays of them when they come out, but that travesty did not deserve my money). but I am seriously to the point where I care more about the series for action figures than for the film itself.
Title: Re: DC Extended Universe
Post by: HarryTrotter on March 26, 2017, 05:12:29 AM
Quote from: Tomato on March 25, 2017, 08:40:49 PM
...I care more about the series for action figures than for the film itself.
Which is kinda the whole point.To sell you some merch.
Title: Re: DC Extended Universe
Post by: Tomato on March 26, 2017, 02:01:42 PM
Except as much as the designs are mostly cool and I do want a dc cinematic collection (if only to match my growing Marvel one)... the movies themselves are actively killing the desire to spend that money. I fully planned to buy all the JL figures from the Mattel line (I was even considering Lex Luthor to go with the Arrowverse Reverse Flash) but then I watched BvS and any enthusiasm I had DIED.
Title: Re: DC Extended Universe
Post by: HarryTrotter on March 26, 2017, 02:50:05 PM
On the bright side,you saved money then.  ;)
Title: Re: DC Extended Universe
Post by: Tomato on March 27, 2017, 03:18:53 AM
You're not wrong.

On a side note, my friends and I had a revelation the other day. All this nonsense with Zack Snyder happened because people dissed Green Lantern. Because remember, DC WAS going to make that film their Iron Man of the DC Cinematic universe. But nono, that film didn't do well, so now we have this absurdity.

Like... I'm sorry, Green Lantern was a flawed film, but can you honestly imagine a film universe based on that film instead of Man of Steel? Instead of Snyder's bleak, depressing "Batman would be raped during his time in prison" nonsense, a DC cinematic universe based on the shoulders of Ryan Reynolds? With light and fun and adventure instead of darkness and depression and angst?

Just fun to think about.
Title: Re: DC Extended Universe
Post by: kkhohoho on March 27, 2017, 03:52:11 AM
Quote from: Tomato on March 27, 2017, 03:18:53 AM
Instead of Snyder's bleak, depressing "Batman would be raped during his time in prison" nonsense,

Excuse me?
Title: Re: DC Extended Universe
Post by: HarryTrotter on March 27, 2017, 04:04:44 AM
Quote from: kkhohoho on March 27, 2017, 03:52:11 AM
Quote from: Tomato on March 27, 2017, 03:18:53 AM
Instead of Snyder's bleak, depressing "Batman would be raped during his time in prison" nonsense,

Excuse me?
Yes,Snyder said that as a part of a longer "If I did Batman Begins" theory.
Title: Re: DC Extended Universe
Post by: kkhohoho on March 27, 2017, 04:22:26 AM
Quote from: Spade on March 27, 2017, 04:04:44 AM
Quote from: kkhohoho on March 27, 2017, 03:52:11 AM
Quote from: Tomato on March 27, 2017, 03:18:53 AM
Instead of Snyder's bleak, depressing "Batman would be raped during his time in prison" nonsense,

Excuse me?
Yes,Snyder said that as a part of a longer "If I did Batman Begins" theory.

So, not only did he want Bruce to still see his parents gunned down before his very eyes, and not only did he want him to go to prison, but he wanted him to get raped. What would the point of that even be besides somehow making him more fricked up than he is already?

...

I just answered my own question, didn't I?
Title: Re: DC Extended Universe
Post by: HarryTrotter on March 27, 2017, 05:12:18 AM
Well,maybe after all,the people behind 300 and Blade Trinity were not the right choice.
Granted,Goyer also did Blade,but Im pretty sure the credit goes to everyone else there.
Title: Re: DC Extended Universe
Post by: BWPS on March 27, 2017, 07:57:52 PM
Zack Snyder is the worst at interviews (and movies). He said something song the lines of "with BvS we learned people don't like to see their heroes deconstructed. They want to see heroes be heroes".

No, we just don't like bad movies. That's it. BvS was terrible. It was stupid in so many ways. We liked Civil War and it was the same thing you attempted but done well.

And I'm so glad he didn't do Batman Begins. Because he already made a whole stupid movie from which the main takeaway is Zack Snyder is incapable of handling the delicate subject of defile.
Title: Re: DC Extended Universe
Post by: BentonGrey on March 27, 2017, 11:16:14 PM
BWPS, he's not entirely wrong there.  People do prefer to see heroes be heroes.  In general, folks want to see a movie about a flying sun god because they want something fun, not something horribly depressing.

That said, you're right in that the bigger problem is that the film in question is a cinematic travesty.  If you make bad movies, you shouldn't expect people to like them.

Zack Snyder is incapable of handling any subject of even remote delicacy. 
Title: Re: DC Extended Universe
Post by: Deaths Jester on March 28, 2017, 12:21:17 AM
Wait...so there is someone out there with LESS decency/lack of delicacy than me?!?
Title: Re: DC Extended Universe
Post by: BentonGrey on March 28, 2017, 12:30:48 AM
Believe it or not, DJ, there is.  He makes you looks positively subtle.   :lol:
Title: Re: DC Extended Universe
Post by: dudalb on April 04, 2017, 08:50:45 PM
If I were the head of Warners, I would get Bruce Timm involved in the DCEU live movie division. Now THERE is somebody who gets it;he knows  how to honor the source material, prseserve what people love about the charecters;but putting a modern spin on it to make it accesable to the non geek audience. THings which Zakc Snyder knows aboustley nothing about.
Title: Re: DC Extended Universe
Post by: BentonGrey on April 04, 2017, 10:09:07 PM
Dudalb, that's something I've said all along.  He's the only guy I can think of who gets it.  Yet, I would want somebody to hold his reins, as he can get a bit weird at times (Bruce and Barbara). 
Title: Re: DC Extended Universe
Post by: Tomato on April 05, 2017, 02:29:21 AM
I was gonna say... I love Dini/Timm (and let's be clear, Paul Dini is the actual head writer, Bruce is more credited with the animation style) but yeah, they were weird with some stuff.
Title: Re: DC Extended Universe
Post by: BentonGrey on April 05, 2017, 02:34:48 AM
Fair point, 'Mato. 
Title: Re: DC Extended Universe
Post by: John Jr. on April 05, 2017, 02:42:38 AM
While I totally agree with you guys about Snyder's inability to be subtle and reasonable I believe the "people don't like to see their heroes deconstructed" comment was from his wife/producer, Deborah Snyder. This only proves Snyder isn't the only to blame, he had a lot of "help", and this only makes things worse IMHO, because we have a whole team supporting the whole "darker is better" and "people didn't understood the movie" nonsense and refusing to admit the movie's shortcomings.
I really want "Justice League" to be a good movie, but I'm not optimistic.
Title: Re: DC Extended Universe
Post by: BentonGrey on April 05, 2017, 03:05:18 AM
Quote from: John Jr. on April 05, 2017, 02:42:38 AM
While I totally agree with you guys about Snyder's inability to be subtle and reasonable I believe the "people don't like to see their heroes deconstructed" comment was from his wife/producer, Deborah Snyder. This only proves Snyder isn't the only to blame, he had a lot of "help", and this only makes things worse IMHO, because we have a whole team supporting the whole "darker is better" and "people didn't understood the movie" nonsense and refusing to admit the movie's shortcomings.
I really want "Justice League" to be a good movie, but I'm not optimistic.

Good point. While he's the face of all this ugliness, none of this could have happened with a TON of people making horrible choices all along the way.  There's plenty of blame to go around, and plenty of people to blame.
Title: Re: DC Extended Universe
Post by: Deaths Jester on April 05, 2017, 04:21:51 AM
This "darker is better" idea is where I think both DC and Marvel screw up - both in the movies and in comics. How? Well, from my view, they go too dark too fast and don't offer any let up on it. It's like they are sitting around a table trying to out dark the last guy:

"Superman should drop half-a-dozen f-bombs."
"Batman should spout nothing but profanity."
"Hawkman should take a crap on a villian."
"Superman should defile Lois."
"Aquaman should defile Mera's dead corpse."

That doesn't make a good movie nor does it make it "dark". It just makes it a blasphemy of torture porn and horrid acts.

We all know my characters/comic story ideas run a bit darker/realistic than most here but I know that with the darkness there must be some hope/humor/lightness. And truthfully, I've always said that if the darkness isn't something that propels the story or is a vital life changing/character revision (a character you never thought would kill someone does because he/she sees no other way...and the following emotions that one act brings type thing) then leave it out. You can have dark stories without going down the overload road DC and Marvel seem to follow. Someone might need to remind them they are making hero movies, not sequals to Saw or Hostel. But I'm just a crazy undead drunk...

...And also why I rarely pontificate on this stuff anymore...
Title: Re: DC Extended Universe
Post by: HarryTrotter on April 05, 2017, 04:36:03 AM
But apparently,along the way they decided it would be nice to have everyone quiping and sprouting pop culture references.Sure,it makes the tone even weirder,but it worked for Marvel.
Somehow,the film division managed to do the impossible and sacrifice both of their children to the nazis.
Title: Re: DC Extended Universe
Post by: BentonGrey on April 05, 2017, 03:13:55 PM
DJ, that's very well said, and particularly interesting coming from you.  Also, your examples are hilarious and sadly possible.  :P  I don't mind a dark story, but whenever you start out by saying 'what's popular right now?' instead of 'what story needs telling?' you're setting out to fail creatively.

Spade, the ridiculous tonal shift apparent in the Justice League movie bothers me about as much as the whole focus on the aftermath of Man of Steel in BvS.  You can't come back from where they've been.  The well is poisoned, the fields are salted.  You can't right your course without starting over again, because you're still building on blasted foundations.
Title: Re: DC Extended Universe
Post by: HarryTrotter on April 05, 2017, 03:31:05 PM
Here is the problem with that -JLA are not Avengers.They don't live in a mansion/tower in NY.They have a space station in Earth orbit.Going to a parallel universe is a big thing for the Avengers,for the JLA that's a casual Friday.You need to thing big.Other planets,Multiverse,all that wacky stuff.And honestly,another army of CGI mooks is just not that impressive.Imitating Marvel is not what you want to do.
But anyhow,that's just my theory,and the damage is done at this point.
Title: Re: DC Extended Universe
Post by: Deaths Jester on April 06, 2017, 12:26:46 AM
I got to ask, why is it interesting for me to say what I did, BG?
Title: Re: DC Extended Universe
Post by: BentonGrey on April 06, 2017, 01:28:13 AM
Because, as you said, you're someone who likes darker stories, so it's not just me being crotchety and old fashioned.  :)

Spade: I wouldn't mind a (semi) quippy JLA, provided it didn't get too out of control, but you're right, they are not the Avengers, and just trying to recreate that dynamic at this late stage is ridiculous.

As with most things, I think a good example exists in JLU's dynamic, which had plenty of humor, but it's not just everyone being snarky.
Title: Re: DC Extended Universe
Post by: Tomato on April 06, 2017, 01:36:03 AM
Personally, I think what's most frustrating about this stuff is that DC has the potential to be so much bigger and more fantastic than Marvel does... and they're sitting in a corner with their movie universe trying to be "realistic" and "edgy" compared to Marvel Comics. Here's the thing: NO ONE CARES about realistic. If they did, Star Wars would not be the powerhouse it is. Good story and good characters trump logic EVERY TIME. You have a universe with some of the most fantastic, colorful, and FUN characters, and you're placing yourself into this tiny little box of dark, moody and "more realistic" for NO REASON.

And really, that's where I finally broke with TDK trilogy as well. Don't get me wrong, I do still like TDK and it's still probably my favorite Batman film overall, but when TDKR came out I was ready for the trilogy to die and never return. Because while I like how seriously it handled stuff like Harvey Dent's descent into madness, Nolan's universe does not allow for the more fantastic elements of the Batman mythos, such as Robin, Poison Ivy, Killer Croc, or the like without seriously reworking them.
Title: Re: DC Extended Universe
Post by: kkhohoho on April 06, 2017, 01:54:47 AM
Quote from: Tomato on April 06, 2017, 01:36:03 AM
Personally, I think what's most frustrating about this stuff is that DC has the potential to be so much bigger and more fantastic than Marvel does... and they're sitting in a corner with their movie universe trying to be "realistic" and "edgy" compared to Marvel Comics. Here's the thing: NO ONE CARES about realistic. If they did, Star Wars would not be the powerhouse it is. Good story and good characters trump logic EVERY TIME. You have a universe with some of the most fantastic, colorful, and FUN characters, and you're placing yourself into this tiny little box of dark, moody and "more realistic" for NO REASON.

And really, that's where I finally broke with TDK trilogy as well. Don't get me wrong, I do still like TDK and it's still probably my favorite Batman film overall, but when TDKR came out I was ready for the trilogy to die and never return. Because while I like how seriously it handled stuff like Harvey Dent's descent into madness, Nolan's universe does not allow for the more fantastic elements of the Batman mythos, such as Robin, Poison Ivy, Killer Croc, or the like without seriously reworking them.

Well, Ivy could just be a non-powered botanist like she was in the comic's earlier years and most of TAS, but yeah, I get your point. Mask of the Phantasm is still my favorite Batman movie not just because it's really darn good, but also because it has no problem with throwing in some of the more fanciful elements of the Bat-mythos, such as jetpacks and deathtraps and whatnot. (While still being good. Joel Schumaker, I'm looking at you.) And they could easily do that sort of thing in live-action now if they wanted to, and no-one would complain. And instead, we get the Dark Knight Douchebag in BvS. Honestly, I think the only thing they can really do at this point is to just scrap the whole thing and start it all over after 5-10 years or so, because they've already botched the job as far back as Man of Steel. And they've only gotten worse.
Title: Re: DC Extended Universe
Post by: dudalb on April 12, 2017, 06:15:39 PM
I am betting we will not see a Solo Flash film until the TV show has ended it's run.
It's hard to get people to pay for something they think they can see for free.....
Title: Leaked Footage: Batman, WW, Cyborg rescue Flash, Aquaman from Darkseid
Post by: Kenn on June 13, 2017, 09:17:22 PM
Leaked footage: Part of the final act, when Batman, Wonder Woman, and Cyborg resuce Flash and Aquaman from Darkseid along with (*spoiler alert*)






Superman, returned from the dead, being particularly useful against Darkseid.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q4BCSzuOfgo (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q4BCSzuOfgo)
Title: Re: DC Extended Universe
Post by: yell0w_lantern on June 14, 2017, 01:08:50 AM
Wacky idea: I want an Hourman movie set in the late 1930s.  Start there, go through WW2 where Hitler has the mystic shield over Europe, then do the HUAC story and springboard into the Silver Age a la New Frontier with all the weird sci-fi and alien menaces/alternate dimensions until you eventually move to Iron Age with a Giffen DeMatteis-style League of misfits and Luthor running the US government and the eventual redemption heroes.  At last, cue Darkseid and the Anti-life Equation.

I hate autocorrect.
Title: Re: DC Extended Universe
Post by: Glitch Girl on June 15, 2017, 02:39:40 PM
Danny Elfman to score "Justice League"

http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/heat-vision/justice-league-danny-elfman-compose-score-1013319
Title: Re: DC Extended Universe
Post by: kkhohoho on June 16, 2017, 04:32:55 AM
Quote from: Glitch Girl on June 15, 2017, 02:39:40 PM
Danny Elfman to score "Justice League"

http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/heat-vision/justice-league-danny-elfman-compose-score-1013319

Does Eflman even still really do anything these days? They must really be wanting to do anything to get butts in seats with this one.
Title: Re: DC Extended Universe
Post by: dudalb on June 26, 2017, 09:23:10 PM
And now rumors that Patty Jenkins will be shooting some scenes for the Justice League movie.
I wonder how many units they will be having on this film. It is a return to way movies were made during the Golden Age of Hollywood,where is was Standard Operating Procedure for directors to "help out" when a big film was having a time crunch problem.
The signing of Elfman screams "We are trying to make this film as much like the "Avengers" as possible"...
Title: Re: DC Extended Universe
Post by: Talavar on June 26, 2017, 10:04:45 PM
Quote from: dudalb on June 26, 2017, 09:23:10 PM
And now rumors that Patty Jenkins will be shooting some scenes for the Justice League movie.
I wonder how many units they will be having on this film. It is a return to way movies were made during the Golden Age of Hollywood,where is was Standard Operating Procedure for directors to "help out" when a big film was having a time crunch problem.
The signing of Elfman screams "We are trying to make this film as much like the "Avengers" as possible"...

Danny Elfman didn't score the Avengers, so I don't understand that comparison.
Title: Re: DC Extended Universe
Post by: Tomato on August 03, 2017, 02:15:17 PM
So merch for JL is coming out and...

Spoiler
Yeah, no, to the surprise of no one, Superman's return will also be in this mess. Figures and statues have him in basically the same costume, but the hairstyle is a bit different.

Speaking of costumes... UGH. This link (http://news.toyark.com/2017/08/03/official-photos-pre-orders-mattel-justice-league-multiverse-figures-265773) takes you to pictures of the figures, and OH MY GOD those new outfits are ugly. Like... for all the hate I can spew towards BvS, I LOVED all 3 of the main costumes. Batman was epic, WW was amazing, and Superman... ok, Superman still needed some red in the torso area, but overall it was fine. These though... UGH.

I actually had hope for Aquaman, since it looked kinda interesting in the trailers, but that costume is WAY too busy. The Bronze and Green is so jumbled and overcomplicated that in practice, the character just looks like he's literally wearing vomit. Cyborg fairs no better, as his outfit reminds me of the worst of the Transformers movie designs, only more monotone so it's even harder to see detail.. The Flash is "better" in that regard (the figure does make it look worse, but you can see with this statue (http://news.toyark.com/wp-content/uploads/sites/4/2017/08/Kotobukiya-Justice-League-the-Flash-Statue-001.jpg) the white isn't as prominent) but it still has the bizarre choice of incorporating ARMOR into a character that's power is literally RUNNING FAST. Because y'know, ARMOR isn't known to SLOW PEOPLE DOWN at all, or prevent them from having full range of motion.

And Batman... why. Just... no. I get this is supposed to be a one-off outfit for the fight at the end of the film (Mattel already released BvS Batman, so I can see why they only want to basically re-release two figures they have done twice already... Because it's not like Superman could use a new mold or anything since his figure is shorter than everyone else in the League) but it's frustrating because the BvS design was SO GOOD.
Title: Re: DC Extended Universe
Post by: catwhowalksbyhimself on August 13, 2017, 12:31:59 AM
It it looks like Joss Whedon has been brought in to direct the reshoots and he's filming a completely new ending.  Apparently it was supposed to end in a cliffhanger with Darkseid arriving and the movie just stopping without really an ending, but now Darkseid is being helf off until later.

I like Whedon and his work, but not sure if touching it up to be "lighter" is really going to to be good.  If the film's tone was off, making a few tweaks to change it in a different direction is just going to make it a bit disjointed IMO.  Changing the ending I don't have as much of an issue with.  I think making it stand alone is a good move.

We shall see though.

https://uk.movies.yahoo.com/justice-league-reshoots-will-change-films-ending-174504676.html
Title: Re: DC Extended Universe
Post by: Tomato on August 23, 2017, 06:43:09 PM
So I noticed something about the Flash costume today that has left me just... annoyed.

Spoiler

http://news.toyark.com/wp-content/uploads/sites/4/2017/08/MAFEX-Justice-League-The-Flash-001.jpg

So I want you to look at the gloves of Barry's costume. And then I want you to think about the fact that this is a man whose chosen profession is as a forensic scientist. A person whose job it is to analyze fingerprints left at crime scenes.
Title: Re: DC Extended Universe
Post by: daglob on August 24, 2017, 01:44:55 AM
I don't like that it looks like armor (is he going to get some of his power from it? Does the man who can outrun bullets need protection against them?), but
Spoiler
the uncovered fingers make me like it even less
.
Title: Re: DC Extended Universe
Post by: HarryTrotter on August 27, 2017, 06:12:51 AM
http://deadline.com/2017/08/the-joker-origin-movie-todd-phillips-martin-scorsese-scott-silver-batman-dc-universe-1202154053/ (http://deadline.com/2017/08/the-joker-origin-movie-todd-phillips-martin-scorsese-scott-silver-batman-dc-universe-1202154053/)
I dont even...
Title: Re: DC Extended Universe
Post by: Tomato on August 27, 2017, 08:03:26 PM
Yeah... I'm not touching that with a 10 foot pole. I hope the idea rots in development hell forever and they never get it off the ground. It's so dumb.

Going back to the Justice League stuff, what frustrates me most is that I actually really do LIKE the Batman V Superman outfits, even if I feel the movie is not worthy of the characters. Affleck's Batman costume is by far my favorite of any film adaptation (and that's saying a LOT) and Wonder Woman is perfect. The only real "weak link" there is Superman, and it's still a fine costume even if the color balance is off. To see that followed up by such... frankly UGLY costumes for Aquaman, Cyborg, and Flash is really disheartening. The Green Lantern costumes were honestly better than these monstrosities.
Title: Re: DC Extended Universe
Post by: BentonGrey on August 27, 2017, 08:59:30 PM
Yep, the costumes are pretty hideous, and I noticed the fingerless gloves thing too.  It's utterly ridiculous. 
Title: Re: DC Extended Universe
Post by: HarryTrotter on November 15, 2017, 11:01:12 AM
Oddly enough,Justice League received pretty good reviews so far.Basically,its good but a bit rushed,it seems.
Title: Re: DC Extended Universe
Post by: Shogunn2517 on November 15, 2017, 08:54:34 PM
Not what I heard at all.  And for a movie like this to have a review embargo and no RT score less than 2 days from when audiences see it in theaters... never a good thing.

https://www.thewrap.com/justice-league-is-a-chaotic-baffling-mess-and-8-other-explosive-reviews/
Title: Re: DC Extended Universe
Post by: HarryTrotter on November 15, 2017, 09:08:23 PM
I admit I only saw 2 or 3 reviews on youtube,and all reviewers cant have an uniform opinion.
They did have similar complains about CGI however.
But lets wait and see.
Title: Re: DC Extended Universe
Post by: Deaths Jester on November 15, 2017, 09:11:54 PM
Three words that spell doom:  Surfer dude Aquaman!  Enough said....
Title: Re: DC Extended Universe
Post by: BentonGrey on November 15, 2017, 09:49:05 PM
Haha!  Ohh, I'm enjoying this. 

Probably my favorite part: "If you like your superhero battles in deep dark tunnels or under skies purple with alien soot, director Zack Snyder is back with yet another installment that looks the way Axe body spray smells..."

Can you say schadenfreude?  Sadly, it will still probably make a zillion dollars, but I can always hope it will fail miserably and finally lead to the reboot necessary to salvage the universe.
Title: Re: DC Extended Universe
Post by: catwhowalksbyhimself on November 15, 2017, 11:09:00 PM
Yeah, I've been reading reviews and to say they are not good is putting it kindly.  It seems to Wonder Woman has actually hurt Justice League because most reviewer compare the two and the winner ain't JL.  The best I've heard all the reviews say is that it's not as bad as BvS, which is hardly high praise.  One reviewer did think that Superman's a lot better in this one, but he appears way too late to save the movie.

EDIT:  They are also be savaged on Twitter for getting rid of the actual practical leather armor the Amazon's use in Wonder Woman and replace them with leather bikinis.  Not only is it stupid, but it makes no sense from a continuity standpoint.
Title: Re: DC Extended Universe
Post by: Panther_Gunn on November 15, 2017, 11:16:58 PM
Quote from: BentonGrey on November 15, 2017, 09:49:05 PMI can always hope it will fail miserably and finally lead to the reboot necessary to salvage the universe.

Or it could be rebooted the same way the last Fantastic Four movie was.  Or Bat-nipples could be back.  Or they could revisit the Nic Cage/Tim Burton Superman idea.  Or Uwe Boll could be brought in to direct.

Don't be like Batmite in the last episode of B:TBATB.
Title: Re: DC Extended Universe
Post by: catwhowalksbyhimself on November 15, 2017, 11:19:38 PM
Quote from: Panther_Gunn on November 15, 2017, 11:16:58 PM
Quote from: BentonGrey on November 15, 2017, 09:49:05 PMI can always hope it will fail miserably and finally lead to the reboot necessary to salvage the universe.

Or it could be rebooted the same way the last Fantastic Four movie was.  Or Bat-nipples could be back.  Or they could revisit the Nic Cage/Tim Burton Superman idea.  Or Uwe Boll could be brought in to direct.

Don't be like Batmite in the last episode of B:TBATB.

Except this is the opposite of that.  Batmite wanted to replace something happy and optimistic and very much based on certain type of comic with great love and reverence for the comics with something gritty dark and grim just because.  Benton wants something gritty dark and grim just because to be replaced with something that shows love and reverence to the comics.  He's the Ambush Bug in this little analogy.

It's not going to work though.  WB has shown a complete inability to come up with a consistently good unitied comics universe.  If anything the success of Wonder Woman just shows that the success or failure of their movies is based entirely on the director and writers handling it, as in the past, and as in the past, they hid or miss on an individual basis.  There really is no unity here.  They can't even get the Amazon's armor to stay consistent from one director to the next.
Title: Re: DC Extended Universe
Post by: Deaths Jester on November 16, 2017, 12:50:43 AM
I hate to say this but Uwe Boll might've made a better film than this. Note. That says MIGHT!
Title: Re: DC Extended Universe
Post by: Panther_Gunn on November 16, 2017, 02:46:56 AM
The point I was trying to make (and you touched on it a bit, Cat) was that we've come a long way from some bad ideas, and as bad as things are now, given WB's inability to properly manage DC's IP, things could easily slip back into even worse territory again.  By that example, I think I'm more the Ambush Bug, warning him to not wish too hard for failure and have things get worse.

I think if they made some superhero movies that were faithful to the continuity and imagery of '70's comics (maybe even into very early 80's), by a writer & director that understood and respected the source material, cast appropriately (not cast to who's hot currently), and not done as a spoof (I'm looking directly at movie version of Dukes of Hazzard, Starsky & Hutch, Green Hornet, etc), that they would be well received by the majority of audiences, and potentially critics as well.  The only sticking point I can't get past in my vision is diversity.  I will freely admit that most heroes of the time were white males, and I think 70's & 80's depictions of Black Lightning and Luke Cage would be a hard sell nowadays (unless they were set in the '70's, as a period piece, or flashbacks).  If I can fix that, without cavalierly changing a character's ethnicity for no real reason, maybe I'll get rich.  I won't be holding my breath, though.
Title: Re: DC Extended Universe
Post by: BentonGrey on November 16, 2017, 03:18:15 AM
Thanks Cat.  I'm enjoying the analogies here.  :lol:

PG, as far as I'm concerned, it's bad enough now not to matter.  They're already not the characters I love, and we're already locked into these versions, so I've got nothing to lose.  I'm not going to see the characters I love in a film that's good and that actually puts those characters on screen instead of their twisted doppelgangers, so I may as well not see them in a grim, gritty, and terribly written movie as in a goofy, campy, bat-nipple-laden movie.  At least if they reboot there is a chance that we could get something better, and even if we get something Schumakerian and therefore perhaps worse, we're really no worse off.

Yeah, the Satellite Era League is the core of the concept.  Bruce Timm and Co. realized that when they created their excellent show, even though they made some poor choices along the way.  Those characters and concepts continue to resonate with people because they hit the right archetypal notes, and yes, that could totally work.  You could even do it while adding in diversity, yet do it organically.  Build up your cast with a series of individual films.  In the GL films, start with Hal if you want, but introduce John, and have him be the one to join the League, while sending Hal off to space, or whatever.  Make the Martian Manhunter's secret identity be black, as he often has in the comics, and maybe even do some really cool stuff with race and the alienation of minorities in American culture.  Bring in Black Canary if you need more women, and bam, you've got a faithful version of the League that still addresses modern concerns. 

Cat is right, though.  It isn't going to happen until WB finally admits that, hey, maybe Marvel's success means something other than 'superheroes are hot right now.'
Title: Re: DC Extended Universe
Post by: kkhohoho on November 16, 2017, 03:33:34 AM
Quote from: BentonGrey on November 16, 2017, 03:18:15 AM
Cat is right, though.  It isn't going to happen until WB finally admits that, hey, maybe Marvel's success means something other than 'superheroes are hot right now.'

DC: Think! We know Superheroes are hot right now, but for some darn reason, that just hasn't been enough! (Well, aside from Wonder Woman, but that was a fluke, let's be honest with ourselves.) There has to be something we've been missing. Some vital ingredient to making a Superhero movie that audiences the world over will love and cherish. But what?

{Watches the leaked trailer to Infinity War}

DC: Yes. Yes! THAT'S IT! Quick, get some old event comic that everybody knows! Let's see here...

{Pulls out Identity Crisis}

DC: Brilliant.
Title: Re: DC Extended Universe
Post by: catwhowalksbyhimself on November 16, 2017, 04:04:10 AM
Quote from: kkhohoho on November 16, 2017, 03:33:34 AM
Quote from: BentonGrey on November 16, 2017, 03:18:15 AM
Cat is right, though.  It isn't going to happen until WB finally admits that, hey, maybe Marvel's success means something other than 'superheroes are hot right now.'

DC: Think! We know Superheroes are hot right now, but for some darn reason, that just hasn't been enough! (Well, aside from Wonder Woman, but that was a fluke, let's be honest with ourselves.) There has to be something we've been missing. Some vital ingredient to making a Superhero movie that audiences the world over will love and cherish. But what?

{Watches the leaked trailer to Infinity Gauntlet}

DC: Yes. Yes! THAT'S IT! Quick, get some old event comic that everybody knows! Let's see here...

{Pulls out Identity Crisis}

DC:Brilliant.

I would not be surprised if that's exactly the kind of thing they try.  They are pretty much trying to copy Marvel at this point, without seeming to have any clue why Marvel works.  Really what they need to do at this point is put the lady who directed Wonder Woman in charge and get rid of Nolan, but that's unlikely.  Hiring Whedon to patch in some humor was their last attempt, and that hasn't worked either.
Title: Re: DC Extended Universe
Post by: BentonGrey on November 16, 2017, 04:42:55 AM
Ha!  Wow...don't give them ideas, Kk!

Hey, their first plan was to adapt Tower of Babel....for the FIRST Justice League movie.  That made sense.  'Hey, you know what people love about superheroes?  Seeing them torn apart!'  I guess what they ended up doing with BvS is not very different from that, though.
Title: Re: DC Extended Universe
Post by: catwhowalksbyhimself on November 16, 2017, 04:54:13 AM
Superheroes fighting each other is a time honored tradition--they just did it badly.  The DCU Batman/Superman movie did it better.  Marvel has done in in like half of their films and it's always done better.  Twice in the first Avengers, in fact.

But yeah, Babel is a terrible first film choice.
Title: Re: DC Extended Universe
Post by: kkhohoho on November 16, 2017, 05:31:44 AM
So the Tomatometer score for Justice League has just been revealed, and even though this may well not be the final number, right now, it's sitting pretty at... 43%. Kind of figured as much.
Title: Re: DC Extended Universe
Post by: HarryTrotter on November 16, 2017, 06:58:44 AM
I have said it before,imitating MCU was the first wrong step on a long road.
They had the map,Morrisons high concept,Giffens humor,Engelharts team dynamic;take the best of every era.
There were choices here.Hell,they could had a mocumentary where somebody goes around interviewing former and current members of the JLA.They could have done a thousand things,but imitating MCU is the wrong choice.

And appaerntly,Flash movie will be a Flashpoint adaptation (again,there are no other Flash stories apparently) so there will a reboot.
Title: Re: DC Extended Universe
Post by: Shogunn2517 on November 16, 2017, 07:01:25 AM
Quote from: catwhowalksbyhimself on November 16, 2017, 04:04:10 AM
I would not be surprised if that's exactly the kind of thing they try.  They are pretty much trying to copy Marvel at this point, without seeming to have any clue why Marvel works.  Really what they need to do at this point is put the lady who directed Wonder Woman in charge and get rid of Nolan, but that's unlikely.  Hiring Whedon to patch in some humor was their last attempt, and that hasn't worked either.

See, that has been my fear the entire time since they started the DCEU.  Clearly the MCU nailed it.  And I knew that if they just did 2-3 separate movies and then just put them all in one movie audiences would effectively think they're copying the Avengers.  And that's exactly what they did.  I initially thought they'd be better off doing a "Brave and the Bold" formula of showcasing 2-3 characters a movie.  Like after BvS with Wonder Woman, do one with Batman and Flash and cameo Cyborg.  Hell, even if they did what Benton suggested and went with a different storyline like ToB first and have them face several villains then it'd look different.  But Steppenwolf in this one?  How are they not planning for Darkseid in the next?  Like Avengers did Loki first, then Ultron and literally the guy Darkseid was based on.  How can it not be seen as if they're copying the MCU?
Title: Re: DC Extended Universe
Post by: catwhowalksbyhimself on November 16, 2017, 11:04:40 AM
Quote from: Shogunn2517 on November 16, 2017, 07:01:25 AM

See, that has been my fear the entire time since they started the DCEU.  Clearly the MCU nailed it.  And I knew that if they just did 2-3 separate movies and then just put them all in one movie audiences would effectively think they're copying the Avengers.  And that's exactly what they did.  I initially thought they'd be better off doing a "Brave and the Bold" formula of showcasing 2-3 characters a movie.  Like after BvS with Wonder Woman, do one with Batman and Flash and cameo Cyborg.  Hell, even if they did what Benton suggested and went with a different storyline like ToB first and have them face several villains then it'd look different.  But Steppenwolf in this one?  How are they not planning for Darkseid in the next?  Like Avengers did Loki first, then Ultron and literally the guy Darkseid was based on.  How can it not be seen as if they're copying the MCU?

We are actually talking about two different things.  Maybe they'd be accused of copying regardless, but when they keep reshooting movies after they are done to make them "lighter" to react to audiences expectations based on Marvel movies, it's pretty clear they are actually trying to recapture that other franchise's success.  The one film I can't say that about is Wonder Woman.  That movie just did it's own thing.  There was NO attempt there to recapture anything that Marvel did--and it was very successful.

I mean Justice League literally hired the director of Avengers to reshoot and rewrite stuff, so that's pretty blatant there.
Title: Re: DC Extended Universe
Post by: HarryTrotter on November 16, 2017, 11:08:59 AM
Well,you can see the similarities between Wonder Woman and CA First Avenger.Or is that just me?
Title: Re: DC Extended Universe
Post by: Deaths Jester on November 16, 2017, 01:40:24 PM
One way they could possibly save themselves would've been to build off the WW2 parts of Wonder Woman and introduce the JSA. That way they would have some idea of what works and it would still connect to Wonder Woman. Plus it could allow DC to clean up the mess of what Wonder Woman was doing after WW2 to the present. But DC didn't do that...they HAD to get the JLA on film NOW, in hopes of making extra bank.
Title: Re: DC Extended Universe
Post by: Glitch Girl on November 16, 2017, 02:49:34 PM
I may be seeing this tonight, or (hopefully) Thor - it's completely up to the Birthday boy.  If I see it, I'll give a review.
Title: Re: DC Extended Universe
Post by: catwhowalksbyhimself on November 16, 2017, 08:47:20 PM
Quote from: Deaths Jester on November 16, 2017, 01:40:24 PM
One way they could possibly save themselves would've been to build off the WW2 parts of Wonder Woman and introduce the JSA. That way they would have some idea of what works and it would still connect to Wonder Woman. Plus it could allow DC to clean up the mess of what Wonder Woman was doing after WW2 to the present. But DC didn't do that...they HAD to get the JLA on film NOW, in hopes of making extra bank.

WWI, not II.
Title: Re: DC Extended Universe
Post by: Deaths Jester on November 16, 2017, 08:52:02 PM
Quote from: catwhowalksbyhimself on November 16, 2017, 08:47:20 PM
Quote from: Deaths Jester on November 16, 2017, 01:40:24 PM
One way they could possibly save themselves would've been to build off the WW2 parts of Wonder Woman and introduce the JSA. That way they would have some idea of what works and it would still connect to Wonder Woman. Plus it could allow DC to clean up the mess of what Wonder Woman was doing after WW2 to the present. But DC didn't do that...they HAD to get the JLA on film NOW, in hopes of making extra bank.

WWI, not II.

Thanks, Cat, had done forgot there..having me one of dem drunken moments....
Title: Re: DC Extended Universe
Post by: catwhowalksbyhimself on November 16, 2017, 09:53:48 PM
This article explains what I was trying to say more eloquently than I did.

http://www.cracked.com/blog/the-dc-universe-just-string-nonsensical-reboots/

I will quote the conclusion here.

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The DCEU is that friend who takes every criticism as a slash-burn campaign on their whole being. You told them that they had a bad haircut? They shaved themselves bald. You told them that they needed to exercise more? Now they're the one who shows up shirtless to every party. You told them that their movie series needed fixing, and voila! They just made it into a different series. Over and over and over again.
Title: Re: DC Extended Universe
Post by: kkhohoho on November 17, 2017, 01:53:22 AM
So over the course of nearly 24 hours, JL's tomatometer score has gone down from 43% (which wasn't very high to begin with,) all the way to 37%. Oofta.
Title: Re: DC Extended Universe
Post by: BentonGrey on November 17, 2017, 02:26:31 AM
Ha!  Wow.  That's bad.
Title: Re: DC Extended Universe
Post by: kkhohoho on November 17, 2017, 02:45:16 AM
Quote from: BentonGrey on November 17, 2017, 02:26:31 AM
Ha!  Wow.  That's bad.

And now it's 36%. And I have no reason not to believe it'll get even lower over the next few days.
Title: Re: DC Extended Universe
Post by: Tomato on November 17, 2017, 03:24:37 AM
Hrm.

On the one hand, I genuinely want to like this universe. For as much as I dislike some costume elements of the rest of the league, I LOVE the costumes of the DC Trinity, and visually the team does have a lot going for it... despite some frustrating over-design regarding some characters I could name. Gal Gadot is an AMAZING Wonder Woman, Ben Affleck has EARNED the Batman role (rising above a sub-par script and directing in BvS to give a really good performance), and by all accounts, Ezra Miller's Flash is a fun addition to this new film. It's honestly what I find most frustrating about these films: The potential for greatness is there.

On the other, I'm still kinda with Benton: these aren't the characters I fell in love with, and as long as these films are in the hands of the people who have made disaster after disaster, that won't change. So there's a part of me that'd be happy to see WB sacrifice all the good on the acting side, if it means getting rid of the garbage floating on the top.
Title: Re: DC Extended Universe
Post by: daglob on November 17, 2017, 04:08:03 AM
So, they copied Fant4stic instead of The Avengers?
Title: Re: DC Extended Universe
Post by: Shogunn2517 on November 17, 2017, 06:42:51 AM
At the gym... Then starting the Punisher so I'll give more thoughts in the morning.

But I gotta be honest, I didn't hate this movie nearly as much as I hoped I would.
Title: Re: DC Extended Universe
Post by: Shogunn2517 on November 17, 2017, 10:40:48 AM
Okay, saw Justice League tonight and here are my more comprehensive impressions.

Coming into it I expected the movie to be as flawed and aggravating as pretty much every movie in the DCEU has been since it started.  Man of Steel was watchable, but frustrating.  Batman vs Superman was a unmitigated mess.  Suicide Squad, I barely could take seriously.  Wonder Woman was the most entertaining of the bunch but the plotholes left me a bunch of questions.  So given the problems(mostly artistic and weird characterizations that stick out like a sore thumb.  That and the whole building of the DCEU seemed awfully generic and rushed.  So it was an understatement to say that much expectations were low, but I kind wanted it to confirm my expectations to be as bad as I assumed it would be.  But it wasn't actually.  I can't say it was good or even watchable, but it had it's fun moments and it was fun to see the team together.  Yes, I couldn't help but to almost verbalize every question of the gaping plot holes I'd see, but there's meat on the DCEU's bones.  Might be rotted.  Might be mostly fat.  But it's there.

Spoiler
So first of all, ALL of the problems each of these characters had in their previous films were still living and breathing in this film.  They even introduced more.  Still have absolutely no idea why Wonder Woman decided to take a 100 year break from civilization.  Why is Batman of all people so team-oriented all of sudden when he clearly hasn't been prior.  The Flash's suit is probably the MOST ridiculous costume I have ever seen.  Cyborg actually gives him a run for his money though.  He looked a mess, but they made up for it.  They really could have done a better job explaining his origin, which was glossed over very thoroughly.  And I'm sorry, I know it's still not popular, but almost everything about Aquaman really thaws my grill!!!  I like what they did with his powers and the underwater sequences.  He seemed adequately powered when fighting Steppenwolf.  But outside of that Jason Momoa's characterization was just... wacky.  I expected Aquaman to be more "warrior"-like not the "trucker"/"biker" type he seemed more like.  And yes, Jason Momoa himself... still can't understand the casting decision.  Maybe it would have made more sense if we saw Atlanteans and saw they all were Polynesian or the like, but no... Mera... she looked exactly like her comic iteration does.  Okay maybe Aquaman's dad was ethnic.  But what's the point?  Whatever, I'll go on. 

One of the bigger plot points of the movie was Mother Boxes on earth.  There were 3 and because Superman died, they somehow I guess ranged a dinner bell to Apokolips, calling Steppenwolf to return to Earth after the combined Atlanteans, Amazons and "tribes of Earth"(and the Green Lantern) beat him last time.  Why he waited like 1,000 years to come back, I'm still not sure.  But he figured now that Superman's dead, he can come back and get the Mother Boxes and put them together to do whatexactlyImstillnotsure.  Anyway, Atlanteans had one, Amazons had another and for whatever reason, Cyborg's dad ended up with the 3rd one.  And it was that 3rd one they figured they could use to bring Superman back to life.  And they did.  But when they did he came back angry and violent, kicking everybody's arse, in some dress pants, when he was just wearing a full suit a half a second earlier.(Speaking of suits... more on that at the end.)  I gotta admit one bright spot of this film is I think it did to Superman what BvS did with Batman.  He finally wasn't a brooding, depressive, ornery, jerk.  From the get-go he was smiling and being pleasant.  After he was resurrected and (for some random reason) decided to not be homicidally mad at the end sequence, he was a team player, cracking jokes and just being all around... super.

But as far as the other parts of the movie go, it seemed reeeeeeeeallllly slow and dragged out at the beginning, but it almost seemed like they were trying to show mini-movies or what movies for each of them would be like, but put it in one movie.  So it was kind a little all over the map.  But when they finally got to the ending sequence, stopping Steppenwolf from from putting the Mother Boxes together for whatever, they had a good plan.  But by the Superman showed up to give the other five a fighting chance(I mean really, half those guys shouldn't have much problem with Steppenwolf to begin with) don't know why but all the Paradeamons decided to stop attacking and let Superman and Cyborg pull apart the Mother Boxes.  And then all the Paradeamons decided to go kick Steppenwolf's butt... for some reason.

So, unless you can't tell, the plot of this movie is a steaming stinking mess and makes absolutely no sense when you put thought in it.  Still not entirely sure they thought to use Steppenwolf of all villains.  Aquaman's a biker.  Batman is all Kumbaya all of sudden.  Flash was fun, but a little too silly and slapstick.  Cyborg was okay.  Looked hellaweird, though he made himself look more like how we're use to seeing him by the epilogue.  And Superman... yes, he was nicer, but his return just seemed too convenient and they just skipped way too many details(Clark Kent just comes back to life all of sudden too?  He comes back to life a raging lunatic, but sees Lois and just forgets how much he hates Batman?)  Wonder Woman was pretty consistent.  Other than the fact she seemed to handle Doomsday pretty easily, but Steppenwolf is too much for her to handle?  But other than all that I laid out, which was hard to miss, it was fun seeing the team together.  Pretty much everyone was handled pretty well IMO.  The scripting was too bad.  Nice few easter eggs.  THRILLED they actually used Elfman's Batman theme(which makes me wonder why they couldn't use Williams' Superman theme).  I can't say it was great.  Or really all that good.  But it was entertaining for a bit.  Nothing to brag about.

BTW, the post-credit scenes, a scene with Superman and the Flash betting on a race and showing an escaped Lex Luthor, who now wears a 3-piece suit, but sporting an unnecessary bald head.  Last we saw him he was somewhere between slacker millennial but now he's debonair business mastermind.  Well he was rather assisted or called Deathstroke to a yacht to talk about putting together his own team.  So... I suppose the sequel will feature an Injustice League/Legion of Doom... which makes me wonder about Darkseid and when and if they'll use him.
Title: Re: DC Extended Universe
Post by: BentonGrey on November 17, 2017, 06:02:14 PM
*sigh*   :(
Title: Re: DC Extended Universe
Post by: Shogunn2517 on November 17, 2017, 09:25:21 PM
And for crying out loud can they be a little more covert with these secret identities?

Spoiler
Bruce Wayne just tells anybody who he is.  Aquaman doesn't care if a who town of people know who he is.  And Lois Lane is (still) shouting Clark's name out with all of the cops in the world around her.  And then he hugs her and flies off.  As if nobody is asking "why is recently ressurected Superman flying off with Clark Kent's widow?"

Just irks me...
Title: Re: DC Extended Universe
Post by: BentonGrey on November 17, 2017, 09:31:45 PM
Haha, well, Aquaman traditionally didn't have much of a secret ID, living in the ocean and all, but yeah, the rest of that pretty much just illustrates the lousy quality of thought and writing that goes into these films.

Man...even after all this time steeling myself against WB's abuse of these characters, this is hard.  I am enjoying this film's flailing demise, but at the same time, I'm seeing trailers of "Aquaman" leaping around, throwing his trident through parademons, and scenes of these characters who are almost recognizable as the Justice League standing together...and it's just heartbreaking.  I can't help but thinking, 'this could have been so amazing.'  How wonderful would it have been to see Aquaman, actually Aquaman, riding on the Batmobile, leaping through the air, smashing parademons.  How fantastic would it have been to see the Justice League on the big screen.  This film is just plain ugly, but if it had been treated to a color palette like the Avengers or Guardians, man...how amazing might it have been? 

On another note, I want to make a point about something mentioned a little while back.  Someone brought up the idea that DC would be "copying" Marvel if they made individual films to build up to a team film, which is a common, apparently nearly inescapable argument (and one you can bet has been made by folks at WB as well).  The problem is, this idea is really nonsense.  Yes, DC would be doing the same thing that Marvel did, but there are really only so many ways to tell a story, and essentially what Marvel did was apply basic storyteling techniques on a larger scale than had previously been done.  It's innovative in the same way the novel was innovative when the form first appeared in the beginning of the 17th Century, but even that was a revival of earlier approaches to narrative.  A multi-movie approach is also a rational development of narrative structure, and Marvel themselves were essentially adapting the comics themselves which had worked in the same way, introducing all of the individual characters before they were joined together in a team book.  This argument has always annoyed me.  It is just silly, and I fully believe that it is a significant part of the reason WB hasn't followed the same track, which is even sillier. 
Title: Re: DC Extended Universe
Post by: Tomato on November 18, 2017, 06:02:12 AM
I think the issue with the whole "copying" thing is/was twofold. On the one hand, DC *did* try to build up from each individual character in the universe... starting with Green Lantern. However, unlike Iron Man, which despite some problems was successful enough and popular enough to spring into a whole universe... Green Lantern bombed so hard it not only imploded DC's then film universe before it got going, it took several of DC's cartoon series with it. And it's a shame too... GL wasn't a good film by any means, but in terms of tone and universe building, it was actually better than MoS. I still contend that a universe built on that film would have been 100x better than what we got.

Second... like it or not, in a post Avengers world, it was felt that a lot of people weren't patient enough to get through a bunch of individual films, and DC would have been somehow "behind" in some nebulous race. I don't agree with that mentality, but the path they took (Superman->BvS->Justice League with some other films thrown in along the way for some world building) COULD have been made to work. In the hands of a more competent creative staff, they could have given Marvel a run for their money, with a universe that's just as big, without needing the audience to watch 6+ films to get to the big team up.
Title: Re: DC Extended Universe
Post by: HarryTrotter on November 18, 2017, 06:36:48 AM
Its a bit different.11 years ago,nobody knew who Iron Man was.Everyone knows who Batman and Superman are,you dont have to bother introducing them.
IMO,starting with Justice League then spinning off individual movies would have been the better approach to world bulding.
Title: Re: DC Extended Universe
Post by: detourne_me on November 18, 2017, 02:40:24 PM
Just got back from seeing Justice League.  It was pretty darn good, actually!
Wonder Woman pretty much carries this movie, Aquaman was surprisingly good, same with Cyborg,  and I hate to say it, but Ezra Miller just can't compete with Grant Gustin, this Flash does suffer a bit.
The tone also dramatically improves throughout the movie, and by the end, we were all saying, "Yeah, these guys are true superheroes."
Some spoilery (without ruining anything) thoughts:
Spoiler

- the way how they tried to break off the shackles of Aquaman's cornballness in the beginning was pretty silly, but he gets redeemed in my opinion.
- The Flash might also have super-autism...
- A few great cameos make future prospects interesting...
- The saturated colors in their costumes (and one in particular)were much better.
- I feel like Lois Lane just apologized for the previous DCEU movies.
Title: Re: DC Extended Universe
Post by: Shogunn2517 on November 18, 2017, 06:58:13 PM
Quote from: BentonGrey on November 17, 2017, 09:31:45 PM
On another note, I want to make a point about something mentioned a little while back.  Someone brought up the idea that DC would be "copying" Marvel if they made individual films to build up to a team film, which is a common, apparently nearly inescapable argument (and one you can bet has been made by folks at WB as well).  The problem is, this idea is really nonsense.  Yes, DC would be doing the same thing that Marvel did, but there are really only so many ways to tell a story, and essentially what Marvel did was apply basic storyteling techniques on a larger scale than had previously been done.  It's innovative in the same way the novel was innovative when the form first appeared in the beginning of the 17th Century, but even that was a revival of earlier approaches to narrative.  A multi-movie approach is also a rational development of narrative structure, and Marvel themselves were essentially adapting the comics themselves which had worked in the same way, introducing all of the individual characters before they were joined together in a team book.  This argument has always annoyed me.  It is just silly, and I fully believe that it is a significant part of the reason WB hasn't followed the same track, which is even sillier.

Yeah, that was me, bud!  :D

I see what you're saying though.  And I'm not disagreeing too much.  I'm just saying THAT would be how audiences would react to it.  Like I remember going to see The Avengers with my friends and they were seriously asking when was the Green Lantern gonna show up(his movie just came out the previous year).  Generally speaking, I don't think audiences are too wise on the the publishers.  Not that they'd be expecting them to crossover(or can't even fathom why the X-Men hadn't crossed over with the Avengers yet), but I'm afraid they'd just look at DC and say "Oh they're just doing what Marvel did" and think "well I just saw this with the Avengers, I don't need to see it again."  And in the process hurt DC's brand.  I don't think they see the complexities of the characters that we do.  They just see a bunch of superheroes

However, to bring it back, this is where DC has the advantage.  Whether it's because of prior films or a bigger brand, EVERYBODY knows Superman, Batman, Wonder Woman.  Arguably speaking, more people know DC's 2nd tier characters like the Flash and Aquaman just as well as they know Marvel's 1st Tier characters like Thor and Iron Man.  At least prior to the latter's franchises in the last 10 years.  With that kind of recognition, in my opinion, the bar for DC should be lower.  As long as they can make a coherent movie, the popularity of the characters should take over.  And that's where Justice League did good with.  But the film themselves are awfully incoherent, which won't inspire confidence in audiences that it's something special or different.
Title: Re: DC Extended Universe
Post by: bat1987 on November 18, 2017, 08:12:15 PM
Quote from: detourne_me on November 18, 2017, 02:40:24 PM
Just got back from seeing Justice League.  It was pretty darn good, actually!

Ya, saw it last night. Was a legit fun flick. Will go into more details later. DoJ and SS were really weak, MoS was a bit better, WW was really good, and this was flawed for sure, but was a really fun watch. I actually find it better than some of the MCU's weaker entries (IMO) like Iron Man 2 and 3 and Thor 2.

Quote from: kkhohoho on November 17, 2017, 01:53:22 AM
So over the course of nearly 24 hours, JL's tomatometer score has gone down from 43% (which wasn't very high to begin with,) all the way to 37%. Oofta.

Its back at 40% as of right now, and, for what its worth, it has audience score of 86%.
Title: Re: DC Extended Universe
Post by: Red Fisser on November 29, 2017, 06:11:06 PM
If they could just jump from the small screen to the big screen(like x-files did).
Then they could just introduce the trinity through their respective series(mcu-netflix style instead of the cw crap)in order to build the characters backgrounds in full fleshed 13 episodes WHILE saving time instead of rushing everything and leaving  hundreds of plot holes in the way(that could only result to some paradox). Likewise they could start with a batman grounded noir detective  drama , a sci-fi adventure with social elements for superman and an epic fantasy adventure/social freedom/historical themed drama(?) for wonderwoman that would start to build the dceu, until it would conclude to each ones big screen adventure movie , and then perhaps some crossover special episodes to form the trinity, and to the conclusion a justice league series/which would have its own big events to take place on the theaters. And of course in that justice league bats could be the occasional helping hand for special missions that otherwise solves crimes in gotham instead of the party-animal thats everywhere/is open to everything from meeting anyone to taking the worst unthinkable risks..etc
Title: Re: DC Extended Universe
Post by: kkhohoho on November 29, 2017, 06:21:47 PM
Quote from: Red Fisser on November 29, 2017, 06:11:06 PM
If they could just jump from the small screen to the big screen(like x-files did).
Then they could just introduce the trinity through their respective series(mcu-netflix style instead of the cw crap)in order to build the characters backgrounds in full fleshed 13 episodes WHILE saving time instead of rushing everything and leaving  hundreds of plot holes in the way(that could only result to some paradox). Likewise they could start with a batman grounded noir detective  drama , a sci-fi adventure with social elements for superman and an epic fantasy adventure/social freedom/historical themed drama(?) for wonderwoman that would start to build the dceu, until it would conclude to each ones big screen adventure movie , and then perhaps some crossover special episodes to form the trinity, and to the conclusion a justice league series/which would have its own big events to take place on the theaters. And of course in that justice league bats could be the occasional helping hand for special missions that otherwise solves crimes in gotham instead of the party-animal thats everywhere/is open to everything from meeting anyone to taking the worst unthinkable risks..etc

Sounds good. Just one problem: Budget.
Title: Re: DC Extended Universe
Post by: Red Fisser on November 30, 2017, 12:01:19 AM
nah I think the netflix way for series is the best format for the superhero genre to shine without the need to be over the top expensive.
Plus it would save time as much as it would give it back, to tell the right stories in the most respectful way as well as to summon the right amount of money to start building up for the big screen leap.
Title: Re: DC Extended Universe
Post by: HarryTrotter on November 30, 2017, 06:41:39 PM
You probably noticed Netflix shows have been pretty low key,in multiple ways.You couldnt really do Justice League or Superman in that way.
Title: Re: DC Extended Universe
Post by: stumpy on December 03, 2017, 06:52:43 AM
Saw Justice League today. Overall reaction: Not bad. Not great, but fun to watch.

All along, my issue with DC's recent movies (Wonder Woman aside) is that they just don't get their own characters. Zack Snyder has made some movies that I genuinely liked. E.g., I think Watchmen was a relatively faithful comic-book adaptation where I didn't leave the theater wondering if Snyder ever even read any of the comics. But, Watchmen was something of a deconstruction of the superhero mythology and Snyder's psychosis meshed very well with that.

With DC's mainstream comic heroes, dark and psychotic doesn't work. I initially wrote more about this, but I will vent some other time.

And, truth be told, JL is still too dark in the way the heroes are portrayed, too. But, it isn't constantly slapping me in the face with it. Yes, JL Barry Allen is a neurotic who takes 10 minutes to find one family to rescue because he can't tell East from West (let's hope that doesn't complicate his personal life). JL Aquaman has sort of a surfer-meets-biker vibe, which strikes me as ... odd.

But, whatever. Overall, the movie mostly works. There were fun scenes and Easter eggs (even in the credit scenes (https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/originals/30/bb/f5/30bbf545f13ab7de556591246ef15890.jpg)). None of the characters were glaringly doing things that were just totally counter to their natures as heroes.
Title: Re: DC Extended Universe
Post by: Tomato on December 07, 2017, 05:10:17 AM
So I broke down and watched it for myself last weekend and... it was ok. It's not fantastic by any means, but it's a step in the right direction after the abhorrent previous films. Enough, at least, to make me feel SOME hope that the DCEU is salvageable in the hands of someone who has a better understanding of these characters than Snyder.

Spoiler
What I liked:

  • Booyah. I know, it's cheesy and it's a trope for Cyborg to say it, but I grew up on Teen Titans and it was a fun nod to that series. And, credit where it's due, it felt appropriate to the scene. That said, awful design aside, Cyborg really does shine in this movie, and feels more central to the conflict then in the N52 JL origin this was clearly aping.
  • Superman FINALLY feeling like Superman. Now, there are a LOT of problems with character interpretation throughout, and Superman wasn't perfect... but after Man of Steel and then BvS it's nice to be back to Superman being a freaking SUPERHERO (I know, crazy thought right Snyder?), And while the change might seem kind of out of nowhere, I'm perfectly ok with it if it means getting a proper version of the character. The bit near the end where he just DESTROYS Steppenwolf after being like "Is he still bothering you guys, lol" was so SATISFYING, even if it also exemplifies a major problem with the film at the same time.
  • Alfred totally shipping Bruce and Diana. It felt so natural and was adorable AF.
  • Getting to see DC acknowledge Green Lantern exists again. I know the movie didn't do well, but I missed having a GL in the League lineup.

What I didn't like:

  • *sigh* Aquaman. I know, I feel like I'm just jumping on the bandwagon there, but I genuinely was looking forward to Momoa's Aquaman and I feel there's potential there... but Snyder dumbed him down to being almost unrecognizable.
  • Steppenwolf was such a BAD villain for this movie to be hinged on, or rather, he was so badly implemented it made him a farce. Look, I know that DC's trying to keep the Darkseid card for another film and there REALLY wasn't time for him here anyway, but Steppenwolf and his army of faceless parademons just did not feel like a substantial enough threat compared to Loki in Avengers. And what's sad is, there's hints of more than we were shown... the scene with Hippolyta gave hints of a shared past that could have been more fleshed out with Diana in later scenes. Instead, we keep getting told he's "gone mad" after his defeat, but NOTHING in his actions or dialogue indicates this.

    What's worse is that, he's not even that credible a threat IN THE FILM. Despite holding his own against the League in their first confrontation, the League then decides to immediately ignore him so they can take their sweet time resurrecting Superman. Focusing on preventing the macguffin that'll destroy the world from falling into his hands? Pfft, that can wait. It's a feeling not helped by the fact that the ONLY REASON he isn't defeated within minutes of the final confrontation is because Superman focuses on helping Flash save civilians in the area first before bothering to come back and utterly wreck Steppenwolf single handed.
Title: Re: DC Extended Universe
Post by: catwhowalksbyhimself on December 08, 2017, 03:05:40 AM
Apparently 500 million is considered doing badly, so this film is basically a failure and might break even seeing as how they threw so much money at it.  DC films is being restructured.  Flash is getting a Flashpoint movie for his first film (which seems a really odd, and really dark choice for first film) and the Batman solo film will apparently be replacing Affleck and Norton.

The damage control continues.

http://www.superherohype.com/news/409051-warner-bros-planning-to-restructure-dc-films-division#/slide/1

Given that the reaction to this film has been at least somewhat positive, if not enthusiatic like Wonder Woman was, I'm thinking this is a more a result of the DC Universe having started to establish a reputation for their superhero films being not quite as good, then a reaction against this specific film.
Title: Re: DC Extended Universe
Post by: HarryTrotter on March 17, 2018, 08:59:47 AM
So,a New Gods movie...
Title: Re: DC Extended Universe
Post by: kkhohoho on March 17, 2018, 02:16:12 PM
Quote from: HarryTrotter on March 17, 2018, 08:59:47 AM
So,a New Gods movie...

Directed by the same person responsible for A Wrinkle in Time. I think that's important to note. ;)
Title: Re: DC Extended Universe
Post by: Silver Shocker on May 14, 2018, 09:11:35 PM
 Cameron Monaghan, the actor who plays Gotham's version of The Joker, revealed in a tweet that the movie side of DC/Warner Bros would not allow Gotham to give him green hair or call him "Joker" for fear of "diluting the brand". Despite the fact that those are basically the only two "Joker" things that haven't already made it into the show.  (http://comicbook.com/dc/2018/05/13/why-gotham-cant-use-the-joker-name/)

Why, it almost sounds like the movie division of DC is misguided and doesn't know what the heck it's doing, but we all know that can't be the case right? [trollface]
Title: Re: DC Extended Universe
Post by: GhostMachine on May 16, 2018, 02:55:33 AM
The movies interfering with the shows is....unfortunate (stupid). They've even said we won't be seeing Manu Bennett popping up as Slade Wilson again on Arrow, since Deathstroke is going to be in the Batman movie.

Title: Re: DC Extended Universe
Post by: BentonGrey on May 16, 2018, 02:56:39 AM
Quote from: Silver Shocker on May 14, 2018, 09:11:35 PM
Why, it almost sounds like the movie division of DC is misguided and doesn't know what the heck it's doing, but we all know that can't be the case right? [trollface]

:lol:
Title: Re: DC Extended Universe
Post by: HarryTrotter on June 15, 2018, 06:13:42 PM
http://www.theouthousers.com/index.php/news/140714-new-images-from-aquaman-movie-surface-online.html (http://www.theouthousers.com/index.php/news/140714-new-images-from-aquaman-movie-surface-online.html)
At least one person here will be interested.
Title: Re: DC Extended Universe
Post by: stumpy on June 18, 2018, 08:04:37 AM
It's too bad they couldn't have made Mera's hair, you know, like really red.  :P
Title: Re: DC Extended Universe
Post by: HarryTrotter on July 21, 2018, 09:05:56 PM
So Shazam trailer was actually fun.Thou it seems to be Kickass via Stranger Things.
Aquaman trailer was kinda all over the place.Yet another war on the surface dwellers and all that.
Title: Re: DC Extended Universe
Post by: catwhowalksbyhimself on July 22, 2018, 02:33:12 AM
Apparently, they have renamed the film universe The Worlds of DC.  Seems like about the most awkward thing they could possibly have chosen.
Title: Re: DC Extended Universe
Post by: daglob on July 22, 2018, 02:42:27 AM
Quote from: catwhowalksbyhimself on July 22, 2018, 02:33:12 AM
Apparently, they have renamed the film universe The Worlds of DC.  Seems like about the most awkward thing they could possibly have chosen.

Sounds like they named it for their old in-house fanzine, although it was The Amazing World of DC Comics.
Title: Re: DC Extended Universe
Post by: bat1987 on July 22, 2018, 11:18:23 AM
Quote from: HarryTrotter on July 21, 2018, 09:05:56 PM
So Shazam trailer was actually fun.Thou it seems to be Kickass via Stranger Things.
Aquaman trailer was kinda all over the place.Yet another war on the surface dwellers and all that.

Ya, Shazam looks like its gonna be fun.

Not sure what to think of aquaman yet.
Title: Re: DC Extended Universe
Post by: Shogunn2517 on October 05, 2018, 06:38:49 PM
https://youtu.be/-tpSybxWXPo

So now, my desire to see this movie went from about a iffy 1 to a solid 4.

(1 being a "if was on late night HBO, I'd go to bed", 4 being a "I might catch it on the Firestick to see if there are any connections or Easter eggs to Birds of Prey or some other DC film I'll inevitable watch")
Title: Re: DC Extended Universe
Post by: BentonGrey on October 05, 2018, 08:44:01 PM
Man........this movie is so close to being right.  It seems like it's got an epic scope, a sense of wonder, and it even seems like it will actually deliver the classic costume....the only problem is that Aquaman is nowhere to be seen, just some goofy dude-bro wearing his clothes.  I knew this was going to be tough to stomach, but it is even worse than I expected.  I'm pretty sure they could have actually made a really fantastic Aquaman movie...if they had bothered to cast and write Aquaman.  The supreme irony is that Ocean Master looks more like Aquaman than the actor they've chosen.  (Of course, the girl they've got as Mera has her own problems, but they pale in comparison to Arthur's)
Title: Re: DC Extended Universe
Post by: Silver Shocker on October 05, 2018, 10:52:55 PM
*chuckle* ah, that's too bad, because everytime I see a trailer for this movie I keep thinking "Ah man, I can't wait to see what Benton will think of this". I find this movie both looks "pretty cool" and "kinda cheesy". This trailer in particular, with its tomb raiding and running and jumping across rooftops makes me think of Uncharted, or you prefer, an Indiana Jones knockoff (which Uncharted pretty much is). The Aquaman/Mera banter made me go "so they're still making Aquaman really dumb". It kinda came off like a lesser Star-Lord. The underwater stuff still looks surprisingly cool, with Orm and Manta still looking cool in the cheesy-in-the-good-way way. It still looks like, with the underwater stuff at least, like DC spent a surprising amount of money on this, which makes me say I'm gonna feel kinda sorry for DC/WB when this thing bombs at the box office. "Mah man!"
Title: Re: DC Extended Universe
Post by: BentonGrey on October 06, 2018, 12:08:19 AM
Ha, yeah, I figure there are a few people around here who have been waiting to get my take on it....but I've just been too disappointed in the wasted potential of this to say anything substantive.  It really, really does break my heart, and the fact that it looks like it could be so very close to right, as I said, just makes it all the worse.

"Show off....I coulda' just peed on it...uhr hur hur...."  :(

But yeah, I'm betting this thing tanks.
Title: Re: DC Extended Universe
Post by: kkhohoho on October 06, 2018, 03:38:33 AM
Thing is, even in the comics, it's hard to tell just who Aquaman really is. Is he a noble, straight-laced adventurer? Is he more of an aloof, laid back seaman? Or is he instead a temperamental, gruff barbarian warrior? The point being that it's hard to tell just what kind of character Aquaman's supposed to be because the writers keep giving him a new personality every so often, though you can't really blame them. Like a lot of other DC characters, Aquaman didn't have a real personality for the longest time, and sooner or later they finally had to give him one. But rather than just picking one and sticking with it, everyone ended up trying to do their own take on him, and the result may as well be that Aquaman has SPD. I guess what I'm trying to say is that if the movie's doing their own take on Aquaman, then it's not too different from what the comics tended to do.
Title: Re: DC Extended Universe
Post by: HarryTrotter on October 06, 2018, 04:18:18 AM
Only,the trailer itself runs the gauntlet of all those versions.
So far DC/WB have done the same thing Bethesda has done with Fallout.They got all the elements of the source material,but non of its charm.
Title: Re: DC Extended Universe
Post by: Shogunn2517 on October 06, 2018, 06:38:24 AM
Quote from: BentonGrey on October 05, 2018, 08:44:01 PM
Man........this movie is so close to being right.  It seems like it's got an epic scope, a sense of wonder, and it even seems like it will actually deliver the classic costume....the only problem is that Aquaman is nowhere to be seen, just some goofy dude-bro wearing his clothes.  I knew this was going to be tough to stomach, but it is even worse than I expected.  I'm pretty sure they could have actually made a really fantastic Aquaman movie...if they had bothered to cast and write Aquaman.  The supreme irony is that Ocean Master looks more like Aquaman than the actor they've chosen.  (Of course, the girl they've got as Mera has her own problems, but they pale in comparison to Arthur's)

Bingo.

TBH, as I said with The Justice League, Momoa's casting is almost as bad as his characterization. I'm sorry, I know that name on the right says "Shogunn2517" and not "Benton Grey" so I am FAR from an authority on the character. But in no interation I have seen or read does Aquaman act like a "bro" than something more authentic and SERIOUS. And he is not AT ALL.  And to be perfectly honest, from the trailer it seems even WORSE than it was in the Justice League.  So that's bad. And as much as I dread to belabor the point, Snyder said he casted Momoa to give the character more of a Polynesian/Maori background and origin, which to be perfectly honest would be a logical argument. Atlantis would be located closer to the Equator than Northern Europe, so a white and blonde characterization wouldn't make "real world sense". I could get that, even though you're ignoring how and why the character was written, that's ACTUALLY a sensible argument.  But that's not even the direction they're going!  Because the rest of the Atlanteans in the trailer are closer to what would look to their comic counterparts. So I'm like what was even the point of doing that?

But there are some good takeaways. A part of me would watch just to see more Black Manta. Talk about getting something right, they seem to have nailed that. Ocean Master looked terrific. The effects just seem to pop out the screen. The scale is almost breathtaking and they were bolder than ANY other DCEU property by going out their way of giving him probably one of the more comic accurate costumes, probably than any property I've seen in the last 20 years, save maybe Spiderman. But that's effectively scuttled with a bewildering casting and doofy characterization.
Title: Re: DC Extended Universe
Post by: stumpy on October 08, 2018, 02:09:47 PM
I am certainly not going to defend where DC/WB is going with this, because... I don't know. And, frankly, I'm doubtful that anyone else who isn't directly involved with the movie knows, either.

But, this is largely an origin story movie. To wit, I think it's worth considering that the Momoa Aquaman we've seen so far (in the JL movie and in these trailers) is just starting his role as the heir to Atlantis. He isn't an established hero who's always accepted that he will be king some day and has been preparing himself for it. Instead, it's possible that the dude bro portrayal is consistent with someone whose mother abandoned him, leaving him with a strange legacy - a legacy with a nature and legacy that he can't really wrap his head around. So, he rejects this unknown (and possibly unknowable, to him) path he's been fated and follows grows up as far from a noble heir with those responsibilities as he can get. Thus, the dude bro.

None of that means that he can't come to some sense of who he should be and a (reluctant) acceptance of his responsibilities. But, he isn't going to start there. Once again, I have no idea where the movie goes beyond the trailer. But, if, by the end of the movie, Aquaman is shown becoming the hero we know he can be, then I am okay with that.
Title: Re: DC Extended Universe
Post by: HarryTrotter on October 16, 2018, 08:01:28 PM
Not the best place,and Im late to the party...a serier about young Alfred Pennyworth in the 60's London.What is DCs fixation with prequels nobody asked for,and nobody cares for?
I mean,I like Alfred,but I dont care for some Men from UNCLE/James Bond thing with some familiar names and DC references sprinkled around.
Title: Re: DC Extended Universe
Post by: Shogunn2517 on October 18, 2018, 12:23:13 AM
Well how about this for a series nobody asked for but everyone wants.

With the MoS franchise in at best limbo status with Cavil, I just heard reports that WB is in active development of Tyler Hochlin's Superman series, spinning off Supergirl.

Not much know other than my own sources(didn't really see it online anywhere else) but I think it's completely plausible.
Title: Re: DC Extended Universe
Post by: catwhowalksbyhimself on October 18, 2018, 02:52:35 AM
Quote from: Shogunn2517 on October 18, 2018, 12:23:13 AM
Well how about this for a series nobody asked for but everyone wants.

With the MoS franchise in at best limbo status with Cavil, I just heard reports that WB is in active development of Tyler Hochlin's Superman series, spinning off Supergirl.

Not much know other than my own sources(didn't really see it online anywhere else) but I think it's completely plausible.

Well, that sounds promising!  I quite liked THAT version of Superman.  Quite classic and oldschool.  That might explain why he's being featured in the crossover this year and why Lois Lane is being introduced and apparently features pretty heavily as well.
Title: Re: DC Extended Universe
Post by: BentonGrey on October 18, 2018, 10:31:35 PM
Hmm, a 'young Alfred' series could be fun...if it were created in a different environment than that which we have.

A Superman show?  If they really went with a classic Superman, bright, hopeful, and heroic, I could actually be interested in this.
Title: Re: DC Extended Universe
Post by: catwhowalksbyhimself on October 19, 2018, 12:28:57 AM
Quote from: BentonGrey on October 18, 2018, 10:31:35 PM
Hmm, a 'young Alfred' series could be fun...if it were created in a different environment than that which we have.

A Superman show?  If they really went with a classic Superman, bright, hopeful, and heroic, I could actually be interested in this.

Supergirl's Superman is all of those things.
Title: Re: DC Extended Universe
Post by: Panther_Gunn on October 20, 2018, 03:36:34 AM
They'd need to fix that costume, though.  Like, pull the Christopher Reeves one out of mothballs.  Unless they've fixed it in the year+ I'm behind on the show.
Title: Re: DC Extended Universe
Post by: Tomato on October 20, 2018, 04:15:12 AM
I mean, if anything I'd prefer the Dean Cain costume (I prefer the deeper, shiny blue) but honestly... I've said this about the design before, but if we MUST have a Superman design devoid of the trunks, it's probably the best design I've seen without them.

First, it doesn't pretend it's some form of bizarre kryptonian armor/under armor the way both MoS and the original N52 design did, and instead looks more like general athletic gear, adding some detail but not so much that it's distracting. Second, it uses a thick red belt to break up the design in the same way the trunks used to, but still incorporates just enough gold that it's not out of balance the way the all red belt left the N52 Superman design. Third, I like the addition of the cape clasps... in another design they'd be a bit much (they did something akin to it with Injustice 2 Superman and... mehhhhh) but I think they work with Hoechlin's outfit because it brings back some of the gold/yellow we lose by having to make the belt red.

Really, my only major beef with the design is the boots. Superman's boots should have the divot in the front, the "M" to pair with the outfit's iconic "S". A lot of artists and designers either forget that or leave it out because it's too "silly" but I really do feel like it's an important element of the costume and it annoys me when it's not present.

But going back to the earlier discussion... I agree 100% with cat. It'd still be a CW show, so I'm sure there'd be the typical ZOMG DRAMA that the other shows fall into... but Tyler's Superman and Clark Kent have been pretty anti-Snyder in terms of what Superman stands for, in the best way. Supergirl may have some issues, but the Superman bits have been some of the biggest highlights and honestly do feel like they're ripped straight from the Reeves era.
Title: Re: DC Extended Universe
Post by: BentonGrey on October 20, 2018, 05:17:09 PM
Yeah...he needs the trunks.  No Superman design is complete without the trunks.  I wonder if there's any hope to be found in the comics' return to trunks.

But otherwise, that all sounds hopeful.  I'd actually watch a DC TV show in that case, and that's saying something.  Heck, I think a classic-flavored Superman show is EXACTLY what the world needs right now.  Some hope and optimism would be very welcome.
Title: Re: DC Extended Universe
Post by: Tomato on October 22, 2018, 08:12:38 PM
The problem with the trunks is that, like it or not, they are a product of their time. The design was inspired by circus performers and strongmen back in the 40s, and made total sense back then for that reason... But we're now 70 years past that being a thing, and it makes literally no sense for a hero coming into existence now to have them. You could excuse it even into the 90s by saying that it was Ma and Pa Kent harkoning back to their childhood, but at this point unless they're 80+ that's not really plausible either. They're such a joke outside the fan community that it's hard to justify in mainstream media. We looked at it sideways in my generation, and the further we get from the source of the inspiration the worse it's going to go.

That said, from a purely aethetic perspective, their absence is notable, moreso than any other superhero, and that's a problem. I feel like no one's really come up with a good alternative like we've seen in the case of every other hero who used to wear the trunks. Part of that is this obsession with adding the red into his belt and thinking that's enough, but I also feel like no one has a handle on the red/gold balance when they do that. I wish they'd try something like the Marvel did with Wolverine's outfit in the Whedon/Cassidy Astonishing era, thereby leaving the belt alone and adding the red in some other way.
Title: Re: DC Extended Universe
Post by: daglob on October 22, 2018, 10:16:46 PM
The problem is that the red trunks break up the blue. They quit making sense a long time ago, but without them he still looks funny. Part of that is tradition, part of it is that they are now a design element. I find it amusing that during the New 52 Superman most of the DC Superman related products had trunks. They removed Batman's trunks a few years back, and they returned.

This coming from a guy whose avatar has neither belt nor trunks; It's more of a leotard and tights kind of thing.
Title: Re: DC Extended Universe
Post by: Silver Shocker on October 23, 2018, 07:28:57 AM
Quote from: catwhowalksbyhimself on October 19, 2018, 12:28:57 AM
Quote from: BentonGrey on October 18, 2018, 10:31:35 PM
Hmm, a 'young Alfred' series could be fun...if it were created in a different environment than that which we have.

A Superman show?  If they really went with a classic Superman, bright, hopeful, and heroic, I could actually be interested in this.

Supergirl's Superman is all of those things.

Indeed, from, I think, the very first episode he appeared, it was a common observation that the CW Supergirl's Superman is a better Superman than the one on the big screen at the time.

I'm not sure if that translates to needing his own show, but it could work. Fleshing out the character and giving the actor more material to work with might be just the thing to make the enterprise worthwhile. Though my concern is that a Superman and Supergirl show on tv at the same time could be redundant. Supergirl was already doing the tights AND the flights better in its first episode or so than Smallville was in, what was it, 11 seasons? So if you stripped out all the gender and social issues-themed show (which is a pretty part of Supergirl's focus) then you'd either have to focus more on those tights, flights and superhero fights (which they probably don't have the budget for, see Firestorm over in Legends of Tomorrow, or the many recycled shots of Barry running in Flash), do, basically Smallville all over again (does anyone want that?) or come up with someone to fill in the gap, like romance/relationship stuff with Lois Lane (Lois and Clark?)

QuoteYeah...he needs the trunks.  No Superman design is complete without the trunks.  I wonder if there's any hope to be found in the comics' return to trunks.

Well, Bendis made fun of Superman "wearing his undies on the outside of his pants" in the very first Superman story he wrote, despite DC's big marketing push to bring them back leading up to him taking over the book, thus undercutting that whole decision, so I wouldn't get too optimistic.

QuoteThe problem with the trunks is that, like it or not, they are a product of their time. The design was inspired by circus performers and strongmen back in the 40s, and made total sense back then for that reason...

The same thing applies to capes...superheroes originally wore capes because wrestlers wore different color capes so the audience members way in the back rows could tell who was who in the ring. So by that logic Supes should be ditching the cape too. (funny enough Magneto ditched the cape in Iron Man Armored Adventures so the animators wouldn't have to animate it....I better not give the Superman people any ideas).
Title: Re: DC Extended Universe
Post by: HarryTrotter on October 23, 2018, 08:38:23 AM
Quote from: BentonGrey on October 18, 2018, 10:31:35 PM
Hmm, a 'young Alfred' series could be fun...if it were created in a different environment than that which we have.

It COULD work,but we said the same thing about Gotham and Krypton and...pretty much everything else.
Title: Re: DC Extended Universe
Post by: Shogunn2517 on October 24, 2018, 03:21:37 AM
Quote from: Silver Shocker on October 23, 2018, 07:28:57 AM

QuoteThe problem with the trunks is that, like it or not, they are a product of their time. The design was inspired by circus performers and strongmen back in the 40s, and made total sense back then for that reason...

The same thing applies to capes...superheroes originally wore capes because wrestlers wore different color capes so the audience members way in the back rows could tell who was who in the ring. So by that logic Supes should be ditching the cape too. (funny enough Magneto ditched the cape in Iron Man Armored Adventures so the animators wouldn't have to animate it....I better not give the Superman people any ideas).

Well.  Learn something new everyday I suppose.  I assumed it was more functional than fashionable.  At least in Batman's case they've given in a function that not only it makes sense, but quite necessary. However, i would also argue that in some media I've seen(IE Scyfy's Krypton) capes are apparently Kryptonian fashion.  Maybe less so with the trunks, which whether it's fashion or historical, just looks a bit dated these days.  At least IMO.
Title: Re: DC Extended Universe
Post by: Tomato on October 24, 2018, 08:39:48 PM
The cape serves multiple artistic functions. Beyond just subtly harkoning back to cloaks of mideaval fantasy, the cape allows artists and filmmakers to show more dynamic movement, specifically regarding flight (which is kinda important for Superman). It's also an easy way to avoid having to draw the human body from some more awkward angles.
Title: Re: DC Extended Universe
Post by: catwhowalksbyhimself on October 24, 2018, 10:59:08 PM
Well, the thing is that capes have no modern negative association.  In fact they are associated mostly with superheroes anyway.  People think superhero, they think capes.

The trunks, on the other hand, resemble undies, and that is what people associate them with.  People make fun of superman because he "wears his underwear on the outside." That is a negative association, so that's why it makes sense to get rid of, not just because it's an obsolete reference.
Title: Re: DC Extended Universe
Post by: yell0w_lantern on October 29, 2018, 03:47:49 AM
I've been watching stuff about Flash season 5 and I don't think Nora is as much of a rookie as she makes herself out to be - we saw her doing Speed Force language/calculations last season. I think she's trying to subtly manipulate the timeline to either prevent Barry's disappearance or to make sure he comes back. A speedster doesn't just travel back in time to meet dad and pick up a few pointers.
Title: Re: DC Extended Universe
Post by: Panther_Gunn on November 26, 2018, 05:01:53 AM
Earlier today the Aquaman trailer was showing on TV.  Momoa was onscreen in some scene, and I asked the Minion who it was, and he said "I don't know.  Sabretooth?"  Once he was shown at the end of the trailer in his iconic costume he knew who it was, I just thought it was kind of telling on the successfulness of the casting.
Title: Re: DC Extended Universe
Post by: BentonGrey on November 26, 2018, 05:51:53 AM
Wow.....that is really apt, PG. 

"Heh, I was just gonna' pee on it." -This says everything necessary about their Aqua-dude-bro.
Title: Re: DC Extended Universe
Post by: HarryTrotter on November 26, 2018, 02:30:41 PM
Which is what WB said when they asked them if they were going to do justice to the source
Material.
Title: Re: DC Extended Universe
Post by: BentonGrey on November 26, 2018, 03:21:41 PM
Ha...that would be funnier if it weren't so true.... :P
Title: Re: DC Extended Universe
Post by: Silver Shocker on November 26, 2018, 10:10:44 PM
...

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LOL. Ok, that got a legitimate laugh from me.

In any case, every time I see an ad for this movie I feel sorry for it and the people involved because they clearly spent an lot of money on it and it is almost certainly going to bomb, and people will making all-new jokes at Aquaman's expense for years to come Green Lantern style.
Title: Re: DC Extended Universe
Post by: Silver Shocker on November 27, 2018, 10:46:25 PM
It's getting positive reactions from critics!  :o

"2nd best DCEU movie!" "Up there with Wonder Woman" "The best DC movie since The Dark Knight" "As good as a Phase One Marvel movie" That last one was meant as something of a backhanded compliment, but hey, an improvement's an improvement!

Now all that's left is to see if it makes money (I'm still guessing it won't)

Title: Re: DC Extended Universe
Post by: BentonGrey on November 28, 2018, 01:05:19 AM
And this is what has me most broken up about this movie.  It looks like it could be legitimately good, so I'm not all that surprised to hear that.  If Aquaman was actually in it, I think I'd be SUPER excited to see this flick.

But they poisoned their well very thoroughly.
Title: Re: DC Extended Universe
Post by: Tomato on November 28, 2018, 03:36:20 AM
I had a whole post mostly written out about life, the universe, and how it relates to this movie and it boils down to: Man, they sure took that narrative from Aquaman's origin about the atlanteans being prejudiced based on something as silly as hair color, which was a somewhat subtle way to teach people about the silliness of prejudice, and turned it into a bunch of pale white dudes (who IMHO are sporting some dorky looking man-buns) being distrustful of the one kinda brown dude in the movie (even though I'm pretty dang sure the whole idea of casting Momoa as Aquaman in the first place was that the Atlanteans were supposed to be islanders but WHATEVER).

Yeah yeah I know, it's just something that stood out to me with the trailer. Outside of that, I'm more or less in the same boat Benton's in... while I was more open to Momoa's casting, he's been little more than a jock comic relief character and it leaves a VERY sour taste in my mouth to see my favorite Justice Leaguer be turned into this nonsense. Even if it's the best DC movie ever, it's still not the Aquaman I fell in love with as a kid, so who cares?
Title: Re: DC Extended Universe
Post by: BentonGrey on November 28, 2018, 04:14:09 AM
Quoteit's still not the Aquaman I fell in love with as a kid, so who cares?

Pretty much.  What's more, he's actively bad as an actor, and he's playing a character that's too dumb for me to relate to.  Even taking my personal stake in the character out of the equation, 'super bro' is never going to interest me.  I hope Amber Heard is better in the movie than she is in the trailers...esh.  She mostly looks the part, though.  Gah.  I can't get over that.  Almost literally everything else in the film looks and seems perfect.  Ahh, I'll shut up.  I'm just repeating myself.  :(
Title: Re: DC Extended Universe
Post by: kkhohoho on November 28, 2018, 06:17:33 AM
Honestly, every version of Aquaman I saw in the comics prior to Peter David turning him into Not!Conan the Barbarian was boring as sin to me, so I probably wouldn't mind too much. Doesn't mean the movie's gonna be good, but still.
Title: Re: DC Extended Universe
Post by: HarryTrotter on November 28, 2018, 02:34:48 PM
Before PAD,Neal Pozner mini was pretty good.Thats the one with blue camo suit.
Title: Re: DC Extended Universe
Post by: BentonGrey on November 28, 2018, 02:54:54 PM
Kk, I can't help your poor taste.  :P  Ha, seriously though, did you ever read the SAG run from the late 60s/early 70s?  I love those stories, and they really bring Aquaman into his ow.  Or the modern run?  Honestly, despite how uneven all the New 52 stuff was, the modern run of Aquaman has some of his best stories ever.  Jeff Parker's time on the title was one of my favorites.  :)

Either way, in no version was Aquaman an aqua-bro and a moron.
Title: Re: DC Extended Universe
Post by: daglob on November 28, 2018, 05:02:16 PM
Hey, I enjoyed Aquaman through the '60s, during some crazy stuff from Jack Miller. Like a lot of comics of the day, Aquaman was a an adventure character, and no one believed the stories would ever be read a month after release. The later series that had Arthur wandering the underwater world righting wrongs and exploring the exotic locales was good; probably some of the best stories he was ever in.
Title: Re: DC Extended Universe
Post by: BentonGrey on November 28, 2018, 05:03:19 PM
Yep, DG, that's the SAG run, where he's wandering from lost colony to lost colony.
Title: Re: DC Extended Universe
Post by: kkhohoho on November 28, 2018, 06:32:43 PM
Quote from: BentonGrey on November 28, 2018, 05:03:19 PM
Yep, DG, that's the SAG run, where he's wandering from lost colony to lost colony.

Never even heard of it. Most of my experience with pre-PD Aquaman comes from Justice League, where he was mostly just kind of there. I tried checking out some of the Paul Levitz comics, but from what I read, it was just kind of okay. Levitz wouldn't really come into his own until his second LOS run, which is still one of the greatest comic runs of the 80's. Other than that, I'm somewhat leery of DC's Silver Age output in general. The fringe stuff like Doom Patrol or LOS was great, but most of their mainstream stuff like Superman, Justice League, or Flash didn't stack up with what Marvel was doing. And for all I know, Aquaman might be more of the same.
Title: Re: DC Extended Universe
Post by: MikeB7 on November 28, 2018, 10:56:48 PM
Quote from: HarryTrotter on November 28, 2018, 02:34:48 PM
Before PAD,Neal Pozner mini was pretty good.Thats the one with blue camo suit.

That was a cool suit, I liked that mini.
Title: Re: DC Extended Universe
Post by: HarryTrotter on December 10, 2018, 11:27:49 AM
I got around to seeing Justice League.That was generic.More cgi goons and blue holes in the sky.
Barry Allen is a kid sidekick with a bunch of syndroms and phobias.For some reason.
Funniest part was Bruce Wayne lecturing Aquaman on global warming...and then flying off in a private jet.
Title: Re: DC Extended Universe
Post by: Silver Shocker on December 18, 2018, 04:02:30 PM
^ Yeah, I think a lot of people found Justice League (or at least the final released version of Justice League) generic and lifeless. Flash actually went over well in my viewing group though. Ezra Miller seemed to be the only one in the cast who seemed to be having much fun (well except maybe for Mamoa)

In any case, yeah, Justice League was kinda the bare minimum of a film. On the other hand, I actually do lament that the "Snyder Cut" never saw the light of say. The version I've heard described (most notably on Kevin Smith's podcast) had SO much more stuff in it that by default it would have had to have been better (it also probably would have had to have been at least a half hour longer). Not saying it would have been GOOD mind you, but it did sound better and a lady in the audience at the podcast filming said she was in a test audience for an earlier cut of the movie that she said was better.

Here's a list of stuff that was allegedly in the "Snyder cut":

Spoiler


-A scene of Flash saving Iris West from a car accident. We see part of this scene in the trailer with him navigating broken glass.
-The flashback with the Wonder Woman characters and the Green Lantern originally had dialogue from all of those characters, including the GL.
-We see a flashback of Cyborg getting into the car accident that resulted in him becoming Cyborg.
-Steppenwolf talking to the Mother Box and plotting to overthrow Darkseid.
-An additional scene setting up Aquaman, including an appearance by Willem Defoe as Vulko and namedropping Orm/Ocean Master
-Superman being revived because Steppenwolf wanted to do it first (aka evil Superman) and the JL wanted to beat him to the punch.
-Superman could only be revived because he had the Codex from Man of Steel in his body.
-Some more callbacks to Man of Steel on the Kent Farm after Superman came back to life, including another Kevin Costner cameo. Supposedly this sequence would have ended with Superman learning to not be so mopey and smile more and it would have put forward the "real" Superman we all know and love. As opposed to the Whedon cut that bizarrely acted like the real Superman was there all along and he was smiling and filming selfies with citizens and stuff, which was bizarrely inconsistent.
-Deathstroke breaks Lex Luthor out of prison, right in the middle of the movie! (As Kevin Smith put it: Why the *&^% would you cut that out?) I always wondered how exactly Lex broke out in the finished film, presumably that shot of the body double was a last minute addition since this sequence wasn't going to make it in.
-Batman is regretful for his more violent actions in BVS, and was going to sacrifice himself during the battle at the end of the movie and lose his life to atone for his actions. Wonder Woman convinces him not to do and saves him at the last minute.
-The nightmare from BVS came up again.
-We see Darkseid in the film. This one got a lot of traction online, with leaked concept art and whatnot. Allegedly the CGI wasn't even close to done so the chances of ever actually seeing him in the film was low.
-A sequel tag for the famed "pt 2" where Darkseid wanted to meet "The Kryptonian". Steppenwolf would have teleported back to Apocalypse where Darkseid would have killed him for his failure.
-Cyborg would have died in the final battle! His body would have been recovered, and put in the Batcave to be repaired i.e. brought back to life in a later film.
-A scene right at the end where some of the Green Lantern Corp show up to warn Batman about a coming threat, apparently to set up part 2.

So yeah, as Kevin Smith put it, if nothing else, the so-called "Sydner cut" at least would have felt like "One complete vision" with more callbacks to the earlier movies. However, the same tone, color palate, director ect would still be there so a good movie wasn't guaranteed. Plus it had the same problem BVS had: setting up too many movies within the same flick. Flash, Aquaman, The Batman (since that's where Deathstroke was supposed to pop up), a Justice League 2 and presumably a Green Lantern flick would have been all set up here.

In any case, back to Aquaman:

Aquaman is apparently a big hit overseas and in China! Yay?

DC/WB is apparently already talking sequel. Honestly, I'm not sure if I'm happy about this or not. On the one hand, I think I'm glad it hasn't bombed since they clearly spent a metric boatload of money on it, and it has apparently gotten surprisingly good reviews, on the other hand, I'm not planning to see the film in theaters and I don't know if they should make more movies with this doofus version of Aquaman.

In any case, the American movie industry likes to make movies (and sequels in some cases, such as Pacific Rim: Uprising and Transformers: Age of Extinction) more appealing to China by casting more Chinese actors in the film (Skyscraper was a good example of this, as was the aforementioned TF 4 where the entire final act took place in China) so if there is an Aquaman 2 expect to see some more Chinese faces in the cast for those wanting to see more diversity in it.
Title: Re: DC Extended Universe
Post by: detourne_me on December 20, 2018, 12:45:37 AM
I just saw Aquaman last night, and the theatre wasnt even half full here in Seoul. It was packed for Spider-Man though, but maybe because I saw Spider-Man on the weekend and Aquaman on a Wednesday evening.
The movie (Aquaman) was ridiculous, but in a good way. Probably the most fun live action DC movie since Batman Forever.
Title: Re: DC Extended Universe
Post by: Silver Shocker on December 20, 2018, 08:29:54 AM
You know I really liked Batman Forever when I was a kid. I haven't seen it since I was a kid, so I don't know first hand if I would find it worse with adult eyes. I knew at the time that Batman and Robin was bad though.

Yeah, I've heard a few reviewers say that it's over the top in an enjoyable way.
Title: Re: DC Extended Universe
Post by: Incredible Bulk on December 21, 2018, 01:52:10 AM
Just saw Aquaman. I saw in mexico cause i get VIP seating with waiters who bring your food for only $5 for extra wide recliner seat. And i like it. No spoilers but i liked it
Title: Re: DC Extended Universe
Post by: BentonGrey on December 22, 2018, 05:59:58 AM
Haha, DM, you're not exactly filling me with confidence.

My resolve has actually weakened a bit because the movie looks so freaking close to perfect, however overstuffed it may be.  But alas.
Title: Re: DC Extended Universe
Post by: detourne_me on December 24, 2018, 05:08:28 AM
I will say that the costumes are pretty much perfect. Some of the best costumes adapted to movies to date. Maybe only Christopher Reeves was better.
Title: Re: DC Extended Universe
Post by: Silver Shocker on December 24, 2018, 07:54:12 AM
Well, one thing the superhero movie and tv industry has gotten mostly better about over the years is realizing that all us nerds actually like it when the characters look like the characters from the cartoons, comics and video games. We've come a long way since 2000's X-Men made that into a joke to justify the black costumes "You actually go around in this things?" "What would you prefer? Yellow spandex?" Now, the big stigma was always "they'll look silly" so..well, yeah (YEAH!) Aquaman, that was going to be silly no matter what (I've heard it interrupts an important duel just long enough to show you that the war drums are being played by an octopus, which totally sounds like my jam). Even with the initially "barbarian" take on Aquaman (he did play a barbarian tribe leader on Game of Thrones before that) they've somehow ended up leaning into the goofy colorful comic book stuff anyway, so here we are.

I was thinking about it, and you know, the funny thing is I think we end up making fun of the superhero movies that try to be serious more than the goofy ones. Look at how much humor people derived out of Bale's Batman voice, and Tom Hardy's Bane voice, and even Batman V Superman ended up launching 101 "Martha!" jokes.

I think it ends up being the difference between laughing WITH the movie and laughing AT the movie. Which is why anytime any of us go "Mah man!" or "YEAH!" or "I was just gonna pee on it" we're laughing at that ironically because of how stupid it is.
Title: Re: DC Extended Universe
Post by: spydermann93 on December 24, 2018, 06:35:44 PM
I just saw Aquaman and I actually really enjoyed it. Definitely in my Top 3 WB/DC films along with MoS and Wonder Woman. I was really hoping that they weren't going to go crazy with bringing the sea to life but they not only delivered, but faaar exceeded my expectations. The film was beeeeeautiful! The costumes, the sets, the locales, the battles, the fights between characters... such a beautiful movie. Scene after scene left me thinking, "wow, it can't get better than this," and then they did. And again, and again, and again, wonderful!

Aquaman was pretty bad*** in the movie, too. I'm really glad they didn't go Wimpyman. He's bulletproof, knife-proof, BS-proof, thinking-proof, wait... Ok, yeah, he's a bit of a meathead in the movie (which they do address, thankfully), but that leaves him with some good (not great) character development. I always enjoyed the whole "greatness thrust upon you" story arcs and that's what this movie is. Aquaman doesn't want to become king, but he has to cuz Orm is crazy (but strangely not entirely so).

The story overall won't leave you guessing. It's pretty clichéed (sp?), but I wouldn't call it bad, not by any means. It's decent enough and I enjoyed it.

I loved seeing all of the Undersea Kingdoms, even if we only caught a glimpse of some of them. Again, this movie was beautiful and I loved the designs of all of the undersea kingdoms. Some a bit more than others, but still, all well done.

I would definitely say to give this movie a chance. Not the greatest film and it does feel a bit rushed and overfilled with subplots at times, but it all comes together in a very enjoyable way. This Aquaman may not be one who will sacrifice everything to do what's right, but he's definitely a hero and in this context, I enjoyed that. He clearly doesn't want to be doing what he has to do, but he does it anyways.

8/10 for me
Title: Re: DC Extended Universe
Post by: Starman on December 25, 2018, 02:08:23 AM
I remember when people on this board (particularly BentonGrey) were really upset about a dark-haired, dark-skinned part-Hawaiian being cast as a white, blonde-headed comic book character.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/scottmendelson/2018/12/24/how-aquaman-saved-the-dc-films-universe-and-redeemed-batman-v-superman/#72f7fe853166 (https://www.forbes.com/sites/scottmendelson/2018/12/24/how-aquaman-saved-the-dc-films-universe-and-redeemed-batman-v-superman/#72f7fe853166)

It seems like critics and audiences don't have a problem with it. Who would have guessed?
Title: Re: DC Extended Universe
Post by: Silver Shocker on December 26, 2018, 02:40:13 AM
That's not an accurate take though. The criticism being raised was that they were going with the long-haired, bearded "barbarian" 90's angle for the character, rather than a more silver-age style take, because this was back when Syder was doing Batman V. Superman and he was trying to make everything (including Superman!) darker, edgier and more bada$$. I don't remember his ethnicity being mentioned once until recently.
Plus critics aren't reviewing the casting. They're reviewing the entire movie. Which didn't exist when Batman V Superman was coming out.
Title: Re: DC Extended Universe
Post by: Tomato on December 26, 2018, 05:27:55 AM
TBF, his ethnicity WAS a big part of the reason for casting, and we did discuss it, just on a temp board due to a FR crash. Snyder felt, and it's one small area I can KIND OF see his point on, that Atlanteans would be islanders similar to Hawaiian or Cuban descent (based on some evidence that indicates Atlantis was off the coast of modern day North America). Thus, having Aquaman be someone of Hawaiian descent, with tribal tattoos that are a part of his heritage makes sense*. I'm not a huge fan of that mentality, since I'm more partial to them being based on greeks (and lord knows it's not like a greek hero wouldn't have been unheard of too), but it's why that went down, and they made a big deal about it at the time. And yeah, I was among those not happy... but part of the reason for that was the clear influence of the 90s awful Aquaman look we were all tired of by that point.

*Though can I just say the fact that they then made Atlanteans white dudes with stupid hair buns in light of that decision is ridiculous. Make it a thing or don't.
Title: Re: DC Extended Universe
Post by: Shogunn2517 on December 26, 2018, 05:55:05 AM
Agreed. The thing with the critics and general audiences is I doubt they're anywhere near as familiar with the character as someone like Benton is. Not that he's the one and only authority for Aquaman, but using him as a proxy, those who are comic fans, hardcore fans, it's rather an unnecessary change or worse.

But here's my problem that just got worse over the course of the films. It would be one thing, if they made him a dark-haired, Polynesian-esque character because Snyder, reportedly, was looking for a more exotic look and if you're looking for something modernized, I suppose I COULD make sense of that, that Atlantis would be in/near the Pacific Ocean and that would be a more natural/realistic "Atlanteen" look. But it's like when they decided to do the solo film, they ignored that whole reasoning. Because when we saw Mera, she was awfully white. Orm? White. Atlanna? White. King Nereus? White.  So I'm left asking myself what was the point casting Jason Momoa to give him an "exotic" look if practically no one else will?

BUT.

To be perfectly honest, I'm with Tomato. I may not like it, but if they can make sense of it, I suppose it can be palatable. But what's making it MORE unforgivable in my eyes is his characterization. Like making Batman team-oriented. Or Superman sulking and depressing. Or making Deadpool serious. Or making Wolverine friendly. This is what I'm getting from this movie. The way Momoa is portraying the actor is beyond ridiculous for me. I rolled my eyes everytime he was on screen in Justice League and with that performance for an entire film, I personally can't get pass it. No matter how pretty the rest of the movie looks. Maybe it might be MY wrong interpretation of the character I've seen from his media, but I typically get warrior, serious, noble, principled. Here he's a biker that likes to swim. I can't take it seriously.
Title: Re: DC Extended Universe
Post by: Tomato on December 26, 2018, 02:50:04 PM
TBF, I think that's the intent... it's a bit more of a fun and campy movie, so you're not supposed to take it or him seriously. And there's comparisons to be drawn to Thor Ragnarok, where they took a character and put him in a more campy setting to take advantage of the actor's comedic strengths. That said... part of the comedy comes from Thor's stoic nature and Hemsworth plays that up, whereas Aquaman... he's just kinda loud and annoying. I dunno, I'm in the same boat as you and Benton emotionally (I even got free movie tickets through work and though Aquaman was brought up as a possible use I'm like... I'd rather save them for Captain Marvel), even if logically I can see why things are done this way.
Title: Re: DC Extended Universe
Post by: Silver Shocker on December 26, 2018, 02:53:23 PM
Quote from: Tomato on December 26, 2018, 05:27:55 AM
TBF, his ethnicity WAS a big part of the reason for casting, and we did discuss it, just on a temp board due to a FR crash.[/size]

Interesting. I don't think I had any knowledge out of that (either that or I completely forgot because that was a few years ago) so thank you for clearing that up.

QuoteLike making Batman team-oriented. Or Superman sulking and depressing. Or making Deadpool serious. Or making Wolverine friendly.

I'm a little surprised you made those comparisons. Sulking, depressing Superman I get but team-oriented Batman goes back to before I was born (Batman and the Outsiders, 1983) to say nothing of his involvement in the JL in the comics and cartoons and the Bat-family in general. And Deadpool actually has quite a bit of pathos to him if you're reading the right comic (Joe Kelly's original late 90's run being a very good example, along with Duggan's more recent run, and even some of the more tragic parts of his backstory in the films) And Wolverine wasn't that brooding or that much of a loner in the original Claremont/Cockrum/Byrne stories. I know I'm reading too much into and drifting off topic but there's years of precedent for all of those.

In any case, I think by this point and all the "my man" We seem to have kinda forgotten, when Momoa's Aquaman was introduced in Batman V Superman, he wasn't portrayed as goofy or comedic or anything like that. He was portrayed as a found-footage cryptid (ala Bigfoot, Loch Ness ect) while ominous music played. Whereas Barry Allen was shown foiling a convenience store robbery in his civvies while picking out something from the cold foods and beverages aisle. For whatever reason (course correction due to feedback? Whedon?) They seemed to have changed their mind as to what this version of Aquaman was going to be.
Title: Re: DC Extended Universe
Post by: BentonGrey on December 26, 2018, 05:29:22 PM
*Ignores Starman

'Mato and Shogunn have pretty much hit the nail on the head.  Like 'Mato, though I didn't like the change (as it is unnecessary), the proposed reasoning for it wasn't terrible and I could begrudgingly appreciate it.  Of course, that justification is gone now, making the change all the more unnecessary.  But, as the others have said, the biggest problem is that he looks like the stupid, long-haired 90s version of the character and he acts like Aqua-bro.  Urg...just seeing him in the trailers made me shake my head.  "Heh, I was just gonna' pee on it, hurh hurh hurh."

In short, he's not the character I love, which is a shame.  Since most folks know nothing about the character, unlike Batman and Superman, it's no surprise that folks don't object to the changes, especially since the rest of the movie looks really cool.
Title: Re: DC Extended Universe
Post by: spydermann93 on December 26, 2018, 06:04:33 PM
I think like Superman from MoS, Aquaman is going to grow and evolve.

Man of Steel is one of my favorite movies (Superman being one of my favorite heroes), but the Superman in that movie was not much of a Superman. Being taught to hide his powers, brooding, killing his antagonist, not saving his dad; none of that was really "Superman." There were glimmers of Superman in there such as saving that bus when he was told not to, but that was about it.

It wasn't until later movies that we started seeing more of what makes Superman amazing. In BvS, we see him travelling around the world saving people. He even stopped in the middle of tracking some baddies down to go save people half-way across the world. He started breaking out of his slump (not entirely, though). That is something I can see happening with Aquaman.

He was raised to be a bit of a meathead, to meet his problems with his fists, but he's learning. He's learning to think more and to be a real leader. He was an immature hot-head in the movie for sure, but there were definite signs of growth. It might not end up being a carbon-copy of the Aquaman his fans love, but it does seem like he's going to grow just like Superman is. And now that I think about it, Wonder Woman kind of had the same problem. Hiding away for several decades is NEVER something she'd do, but she came out and is starting to act like a SUPER hero.

I guess that's why I didn't really have a problem with how Aquaman was portrayed. Growth seems inevitable, and in a good way.
Title: Re: DC Extended Universe
Post by: Shogunn2517 on December 27, 2018, 01:41:40 AM
Jeez, you're pretty much practically pointing to the essential problem I have with the DCEU lol. It's the characterization of most of these characters. Even the ones they do seemingly get right, there's a bit of a flaw that aggrivatingly sticks out. Like Wonder Woman. They have a whole movie talking about her responsibility to mankind only for her to disappear 70-80 years?  And SS, while I hear you, particularly from a Pre-Crisis Batman, Post Crisis, I don't see him as needing others or proactively seeking help from others. If anything its begrudgingly or only on his terms. Superman is super and does have a responsibility that he feels, but he also acts in a way that isn't the Superman we know. Whether he's brooding and being a jerk(does anyone actually see Superman tossing a government drone out of the sky smashing it on the ground and then lecturing the military for it?) or doing things he typically wouldn't do. And then there's Aquaman. I mean I halfway expect him to smash a beer can against his forehead at the end of every scene just because.
Title: Re: DC Extended Universe
Post by: BentonGrey on December 27, 2018, 02:46:55 AM
Precisely.

But, another point that Spyder brings out with his discussion of growth is the lack of consistency and planning in the DCEU.  Unlike Marvel, where there was a good plan in place that capitalized on the spirit of the characters and the universe, DC's execution has been slipshod and poorly thought-out from day one.  That means that we get inconsistent characterization.  Yeah, you could call it growth, but it doesn't flow from existing stories or follow logical directions, by and large.   
Title: Re: DC Extended Universe
Post by: Starman on December 27, 2018, 05:06:57 AM
Here are a few quotes from the first discussion of Jason Mamoa's casting as Aquaman:

BentonGrey:

Quoteas I've said many times before, eys, hair color is something of a big deal when you're dealing with characters who are visual in their presentation.  Comics are a visual medium, Superman is as much a guy in red and blue as he is the Last Son of Krypton.  Imagine a blonde Superman or a red headed Batman.  It just wouldn't be the character, because the character is their appearance, in part.  As others have pointed out, Momoa isn't just the wrong hair color, he's completely the wrong look.

QuoteDid you miss my comment about the roughly 60 years our of his 75 year existence during which Aquaman has worn basically the same costume?  I think that objectively qualifies as a definitive look.  Plus, for 75 years he's been blonde haired and blue eyed. 

QuoteAs for the latest dust up here, awkward comments aside, it isn't racist to want an actor to be have the same look as the character they are supposed to be playing, it's just sensible.  I think we can all be adults when it comes to that conversation and realize that nobody is saying that the problem is the race of the actor, it's how closely they resemble the character.  I'd be just as annoyed if they cast Momoa (or Chris Hemsworth, for that matter) to play Ryan Choi. :P 

QuoteSo, skin tone is not part of physical appearance?  How silly of me.  Anyway, the guy just doesn't look like the character he's supposed to play.  Your disregard does not diminish the point.  Momoa doesn't look like the character, and I don't think anyone has actually argued that he does.  Can he still play the role?  Assuming he's a decent actor, (an assumption I've seen no evidence to support) obviously that's possible, but that doesn't mean that he magically fits Aquaman.

Shogunn2517:

QuoteIn which variation did Aquaman look like the Apache Chief?

QuoteWhat's so weird about it?  Chris Hemsworth, Henry Cavil, they are white.  Anglo.  Of European descent, Caucasian.  That's what they are.  Likely for far more than two or three generations.  That's not Jason Momoa.  His father is a Native Hawaiian.  They are of Asian descent. That's not a tan.  That's skin pigmentation.  His blood has a different level of Melanin than your or mine.

QuoteWhat has been said is that a Half Hawaiian, half German/Irish/NATIVE AMERICAN actor wouldn't look right for the role he's been playing, a Caucasian, blonde-haired, blue-eyed Atlantean.  He doesn't resemble the character audiences and fans readily recognize as Aquaman.

All of these comments were made before "Justice League" had even been released / anyone had seen Momoa's acting in the role. They were based purely on casting.

So ... yeah, as I mentioned, I remember when people on this board were really upset about a dark-haired, dark-skinned part-Hawaiian being cast as a white, blonde-headed comic book character.

I'm glad that, as it turns out, critics and audiences don't have a problem with it, and a film starring Jason Mamoa can make $1bn (and counting).

I think it's great when people can wholeheartedly embrace this kind of modern, diverse casting.
Title: Re: DC Extended Universe
Post by: BentonGrey on December 27, 2018, 05:48:23 AM
So Spyder, what makes Man of Steel one of your favorite movies, despite the Superman in it being, admittedly, not much of a Superman?  I mean, for my own part, as dreary as much of it is, I still would have called it the best Superman movie we've had until the conclusion, but I'd say that's more a reflection on the other movies than praise for that one.  ;)  I'm joking a bit, but I am genuinely curious.

SS, you make a good point about the 'team Batman' of earlier days, but even in his Silver/Bronze Age appearances he usually wasn't as much an enthusiastic team member as, say, Superman or Flash.  I haven't read Outsiders, but it is my understanding that Bats begins to be more controlling and jerky in that book.  Is that correct?
Title: Re: DC Extended Universe
Post by: Tomato on December 27, 2018, 06:28:28 AM
Starman, knock it the hfil off. No one that was a part of that conversation before was denying it happened. Also, the "well it makes money and therefore is fine" is the same lame defense given to the michael bay transformers films, and just because a film critic praises it as a FILM does not mean it authentically captures the source material for those with the most attachment to it.

I don't agree with Benton a lot of the time, but in the case of Aquaman, the fact that he was CLEARLY being based on the 90s version was even off putting for me (and I'm usually the obnoxious champion for diversity in actors) right out of the gate, and that's a problem no matter what ethnicity the actor was. Frankly, I don't like Momoa in the role either, and it's a big reason I have no desire to see the film. I don't like the dudebro archetype, period.

As for the whole "grow into the character" argument... no, no they haven't. I defended MoS tooth an nail because I was certain, CERTAIN that they were going to evolve Superman into the hero he was in the comics. That killing Zod was what would cause him to adopt his no kill code. That he'd find a better way next time. And guess what? That NEVER HAPPENED. Superman continues to kill people in BvS, and his "savior of the people" persona in Justice League is never earned. When he dies in BvS, he'd just been the cause of senate hearings, but somehow after death he's been deified? BS.

I'm willing to concede that Aquaman is probably a perfectly fine film and, without the baggage I have with the DCEU and it's portrayal of the character, I'd probably enjoy it. I enjoyed GL and Venom for goodness sake. But I DO have that baggage, and I have no desire to spend theater money on the film.
Title: Re: DC Extended Universe
Post by: Silver Shocker on December 27, 2018, 08:44:41 AM
Quote from: BentonGrey on December 27, 2018, 05:48:23 AM
SS, you make a good point about the 'team Batman' of earlier days, but even in his Silver/Bronze Age appearances he usually wasn't as much an enthusiastic team member as, say, Superman or Flash.  I haven't read Outsiders, but it is my understanding that Bats begins to be more controlling and jerky in that book.  Is that correct?

Actually, yes, that's right. Batman and the Outsiders basically starts out with Batman pulling a Bender and going "Screw you guys. I'll form my own team! With Blackjack, and hookers". And yeah, at this point I realize my example actually undermined my argument, but oh well.
Title: Re: DC Extended Universe
Post by: spydermann93 on December 27, 2018, 11:22:10 PM
Quote from: BentonGrey on December 27, 2018, 05:48:23 AM
So Spyder, what makes Man of Steel one of your favorite movies, despite the Superman in it being, admittedly, not much of a Superman?  I mean, for my own part, as dreary as much of it is, I still would have called it the best Superman movie we've had until the conclusion, but I'd say that's more a reflection on the other movies than praise for that one.  ;)  I'm joking a bit, but I am genuinely curious.

I guess what it boils down to is that most of Superman's shortcomings came from how Jonathan Kent raised him rather than Superman himself. Seeing Superman eventually break through his parent's rules and paranoia to become something better was kind of a refreshing change of pace. He's not the Superman I love, but he is one that I grew to like. He eventually grew into a hero, but even by the end of the movie, he was still learning. While I do have my grievances about the ending, I did come to realize that this isn't a Superman who can find the solution to any problem, but one learning how to deal with them on his own. His parents didn't really teach him anything about being a superhero and how violence is not the answer.

It was also nice to see a Superman that wasn't an evil "Imma rule the world with an iron fist, muahahaha" Superman that we see over and over and over and over and blah blah blah, but still not quite the paragon of justice from the comics. It was a nice middleground for a man who was still good at heart, but not raised to be what he truly could have been.

Quote from: Tomato on December 27, 2018, 06:28:28 AMAs for the whole "grow into the character" argument... no, no they haven't. I defended MoS tooth an nail because I was certain, CERTAIN that they were going to evolve Superman into the hero he was in the comics. That killing Zod was what would cause him to adopt his no kill code. That he'd find a better way next time. And guess what? That NEVER HAPPENED. Superman continues to kill people in BvS, and his "savior of the people" persona in Justice League is never earned. When he dies in BvS, he'd just been the cause of senate hearings, but somehow after death he's been deified? BS.

And 'Mato, I disagree with the "no growth" notion. Regardless of how the public sees Superman, we see him doing good out there in the world. He wasn't afraid anymore. He didn't hide like his dad told him to. He was out there defending people who could not defend themselves. That's growth. The movie just did a poor job showing how the people responded to that. And yes, clearly he does not have his "no kill" code, but he isn't just going around murdering random thugs and criminals. The one guy who had a gun to Lois' head is the only guy I remember getting killed by him.

I even said that he is NOT exactly like comic Superman, but he is growing. Slowly and awkwardly, but he is.
Title: Re: DC Extended Universe
Post by: Shogunn2517 on December 31, 2018, 03:29:25 AM
Yes, I'm completely with Tomato. Starman's making it sound like he I or anyone is against diversity and diversity in casting and as far as I'm concerned that's the complete opposite of what's true definitely for me, apparently Tomato too and I'm sure Benton as well.  I clearly had a problem with this casting. Still do and they've only given me MORE reason to have problem with it.  Again, I don't care about the movie itself. It might be good.  But a good movie or even a good performance doesn't mean the casting was right.  I mean I was about to reply to SS's comment on the Marvel thread about Black Widow and Captain America and their appearance. And if I have a problem with a short-haired Thor, a blonde Black Widow or a bearded Captain America of course I'd have a problem with a Hawaiian Aquaman. That should tell you it's not about diversity, but about comic accuracy. Heck, we're on a Freedom Force forum, a game I've modded to play with characters more accurate to their comic counterparts and not any sort of gameplay balance whatsoever. That's what this is about to me.

I mean, I'm a black guy. My profile pick is of my favorite superhero(with superpowers). My nephew is half Asian. For the most part I have completely no issue with diverse cast, particularly when a character's race isn't specifically characterized. I like the fact that Iris and Wally West are black.  Could have cared less that Lawrence Fishburn is playing Perry White. I'm a boxing fan and was thrilled when I heard Ann Wolfe(trust me, YouTube her knockout) was cast as Artemis in Wonder Woman.  Wild Dog is latino and couldn't be bothered by it one bit. I watched the heck out of Luke Cage and will call anyone a bad name if you try to tell me it isn't the best show on Netflix.  I'm thrilled Marvel's network series is lead by an Asian actress.  My next two favorite television series will star latino actors in each series(they're Star Wars related).

I write all that to say diversity in casting isn't the issue.  The issue is capturing the character and the source material best and DC isn't doing that here and as Spyder laid out, they're doing a rather hack job at it overall.
Title: Re: DC Extended Universe
Post by: Shogunn2517 on December 31, 2018, 03:36:29 AM
And also, I too, gonna have to slightly disagree with the non-evolution of Superman. I actually liked him just fine in Justice League. He was everything I thought he should have been in the prior two movies.
Title: Re: DC Extended Universe
Post by: captmorgan72 on December 31, 2018, 06:54:59 PM
Absolutely loved Jason Momoa as Arthur Curry. Really loved the movie. I can totally understand though why some fans didn't like the casting. Arthur has always been depicted as a white, blonde, blue eyed man and never with a surfer dude personality. That is why the multiverse fixes all of this. In this world, on this earth, Thomas Curry is of Māori descent. Arthur gets his looks from his father and his powers from his mother. His attitude and personality was formed from everything he experienced growing up and feeling like he doesn't belong in his father's world or his mother's. So, Jason is not the Aquaman for some fans and IS the Aquaman for legions of drooling women/men.  :P
Title: Re: DC Extended Universe
Post by: Silver Shocker on December 31, 2018, 07:22:55 PM
Quote from: Shogunn2517 on December 31, 2018, 03:29:25 AM
I mean I was about to reply to SS's comment on the Marvel thread about Black Widow and Captain America and their appearance. And if I have a problem with a short-haired Thor, a blonde Black Widow or a bearded Captain America of course I'd have a problem with a Hawaiian Aquaman.

Hey, they looked like the characters when they first appeared.

Anyway, I've said this elsewhere, but anyone who immediately assumes that diverse casting will immediately be treated with bile, I have two examples I like to use:

1. Gal Gadot as Wonder Woman. I don't think I've ever seen anyone complain that an Iranian was playing a character most famously portrayed by Linda Carter and almost always depicted with Caucasian features despite a Greek background. People talked about whether she had the build for the character. And I remember when watching Batman V Superman saying that Wonder Woman with an accent of any kind would take some getting used to (I'm used to it now) But she looks like the character and she acts like the character.

2. B.D. Wong as Hugo Strange in Gotham. Now you can look over to the Jurassic World movies and say that someone decided that for some reason B.D. Wong needs to be playing mad scientists, but his version of the character is pitch perfect. He looks spot on with his nice suit, bald head, goatee and Morpheus glasses, and his calm-mannered-yet-sinister performance fit the character. The fact that he was played by an actor of Asian descent didn't get in the way of making an accurate portrayal.

And hey, Ezra Miller's Flash is Jewish. I almost forgot about him.
Title: Re: DC Extended Universe
Post by: UnkoMan on January 05, 2019, 02:05:16 AM
Are we allowed, in here, to talk about DC's upcoming movies?
Mostly I'm curious to hear opinions/news on the new Wonder Woman flick. Actually, I'm even more interested in Joaquin Phoenix's Joker, but I'm pretty sure (I hope) it isn't part of the DC Cinematic Universe.
Title: Re: DC Extended Universe
Post by: crimsonquill on January 05, 2019, 08:52:39 AM
Quote from: UnkoMan on January 05, 2019, 02:05:16 AM
I'm even more interested in Joaquin Phoenix's Joker, but I'm pretty sure (I hope) it isn't part of the DC Cinematic Universe.

No, It's not.. That Joker film is a one-shot character study which dumps him into an '80s retro era with tones of Scarface and Taxi Driver type films. Rumors are setting up the plot to be a Gotham trying to be saved by Thomas Wayne who is caught in a political battle with an unknown adversary which leaves a comedian humiliated during a late show appearance to transform himself into a crime lord to make a point.

- CQ
Title: Re: DC Extended Universe
Post by: UnkoMan on January 06, 2019, 02:00:50 AM
It sounds pretty good in the same way Logan was good. I'm trying not to read too much about it though. Want to just save it for the movie.

But for Wonder Woman, I don't care as much. I'd hear about it. Kristen Wiig is Cheetah? Pretty weird casting, although I guess she does all sorts of serious roles and whatnot now.
I guess I have never viewed her as particularly physically threatening, but okay.

Or we could talk about Shazam. What's the deal with Sivana being a big muscle man now? When did this happen?
Title: Re: DC Extended Universe
Post by: Silver Shocker on January 06, 2019, 04:21:11 AM
I'm actually pretty intrigued by the Joker teasers. I don't know if a standalone Joker movie needed to be made, but the one we're getting seems like it could be cool. Reminds of the first image we all saw of Heath Ledger's Joker's face. Sad, morbid clown face. Comparing it to Logan is appropriate. It's probably best to think of it as a drama that happens to have characters from comics in it, rather than a superhero movie (though, to be fair, I've heard that description used to describe The Dark Knight as well)

Ah yes, Doctor Sivana in the Shazam movie is modeled after the New 52 version of the character, who appeared in backup stories in Geoff John's run of Justice League.
Title: Re: DC Extended Universe
Post by: Shogunn2517 on January 12, 2019, 11:43:48 PM
So I'm up here watching Batman v Superman on cable. The Chiefs/Colts game is a blowout.

And I just want to reiterate how ridiculous this movie is again. Okay, maybe not the whole movie. It has its moments. But pretty much any scene with Lex Luthor in it is more ridiculous than the one prior. Seriously, what the heck is wrong with this guy? I couldn't make heads or tails out of pretty much anything he said in the movie. He's worse than a 60s Batman villain.
Title: Re: DC Extended Universe
Post by: BentonGrey on January 13, 2019, 12:09:22 AM
Haha, very true.  That movie is such a train wreck that it makes the trainwreck that is JL seem somewhat more well-thought out by comparison.
Title: Re: DC Extended Universe
Post by: stumpy on January 13, 2019, 09:00:14 AM
This is the recurring theme in so many of Warner's DC movies: They simply don't understand the nature of the characters. Luthor is as good an example as any. Luthor is not some sort of imbalanced, loony-toon villian! I am not sure if the writers have never read any good comics with Lex Luthor in them, if they can't get past the dumb Hollywood stereotype of the "mad scientist", or if they have some other deficit-of-imagination problem. Lex Luthor is not a loopy "mad scientist". And, I understand that the character is based on the more Silver Age Luthor, who was a scientist, instead of the (equally weak trope) "evil businessman" Luthor that Byrne saddled the S-books with. But, if Luthor is a trope, he's an "evil scientist". And, if they actually wanted to portray the best Lex Luthor I have encountered, they should have gone with Elliot S! Maggin's Luthor, who was, in many ways, a sociopath, but not a mustache-twirler.

Anyway, BvM got Lex Luthor wrong, got Batman wrong, and (though not as badly as in MoS) got Superman wrong. Really, in terms of characterization, they almost couldn't do worse.  :banghead:  I guess that one might make a case that Lois Lane and Doomsday were in the ballpark somewhere. But, after the first three strikes, who's still counting?
Title: Re: DC Extended Universe
Post by: daglob on January 13, 2019, 03:30:21 PM
The question may not be "do they know the characters" but "do they love the characters". I got to thinking about this while reading the recent Plastic Man series; this guy in this book is more  than a little like a flexible Deadpool. Yeah, yeah, yeah... they got the Granite Lady, but she only shows up in the last few pages, and they don't even meet. For a couple of decades (at least) DC has tried to make characters Wolverine, so now they are trying to remake Deadpool. If I go on much longer, I'll repeat myself again (and again and again and again...), but the problem may be that the... we'll call them adapters... want to have the money to make a movie, they have all these ideas about what would be great in the movie, and yet they have to stick this guy in spandex in it. So, they "fix" it. Deadpool worked; Fant4astic didn't.

And no one understands Dr. Doom...
Title: Re: DC Extended Universe
Post by: BentonGrey on January 13, 2019, 07:22:30 PM
Quote from: stumpy on January 13, 2019, 09:00:14 AM
I guess that one might make a case that Lois Lane and Doomsday were in the ballpark somewhere. But, after the first three strikes, who's still counting?

Ha, well said!

I think DG is basically right.  The issue, to my mind, isn't necessarily that they haven't read any good comics, as you theorize, Stumpy, but more likely that they just don't care.  They want to "fix" to "update" and to "improve," so what came before really doesn't matter.  What matters is their brilliant interpretation and how it is so edgy and brilliant and brilliant and edgy.  "You know what's cool right now?  Tech billionaires!"  Heck, the Fan4astic director told his cast not to read the comics, because they didn't matter for the 'bold new direction' he was taking.  Some folks, like Zack Snyder, clearly misunderstand their characters, but the main thing all of these failed adaptions have in common is that they just don't really care about their sources.  It's the quality that, more than any other, has separated Marvel and DC movies.  On the whole, even when the Marvel films have changed and tweaked and "fixed", they have been careful to maintain and to honor the core of their characters.  And when they do, the archetypal power that lay behind the character to the page translates to the character on the screen.
Title: Re: DC Extended Universe
Post by: HarryTrotter on January 13, 2019, 08:12:16 PM
Quote from: daglob on January 13, 2019, 03:30:21 PMFor a couple of decades (at least) DC has tried to make characters Wolverine

Poor,poor Hawkman...
Title: Re: DC Extended Universe
Post by: Silver Shocker on January 13, 2019, 08:34:51 PM
In fairness, Josh Trank was not the only director of a superhero adaptation who told his cast not to read the comics. Bryan Singer did that too. And probably others.

Stumpy's comment about the Eliot S! Maggin Luthor has me intrigued. I may have to look into that.

My gateway into the wider DC universe was pretty much the Bruce Timm animated shows, so Luthor's pretty much always been the evil businessman version for me. As far as I'm concerned, the best portrayal of Luthor in terms of acting and writing was Clancy Brown in Justice League/JLU. The best in terms of live action was Micheal Rosenbaum in Smallville (the one thing Smallville can boast it had the best version of).
Title: Re: DC Extended Universe
Post by: BentonGrey on January 13, 2019, 09:02:27 PM
Yeah, as with most things, the Timmverse gave us the definitive version of Lex Luthor.  He's brilliant, he's arrogant, yet compelling.
Title: Re: DC Extended Universe
Post by: UnkoMan on January 14, 2019, 03:04:28 AM
Lex in All Star is pretty good.
Title: Re: DC Extended Universe
Post by: BentonGrey on January 14, 2019, 05:21:06 AM
He's probably my second favorite interpretation.  I really love the 'Superman is infantilizing the human race' motivation for Luthor.
Title: Re: DC Extended Universe
Post by: daglob on January 14, 2019, 06:14:17 AM
Quote from: BentonGrey on January 14, 2019, 05:21:06 AM
He's probably my second favorite interpretation.  I really love the 'Superman is infantilizing the human race' motivation for Luthor.

It's 'way better than "He made me lose my hair."
Title: Re: DC Extended Universe
Post by: BentonGrey on January 14, 2019, 06:56:13 AM
Yet, I totally want that to always be PART of it.  Just a little extra bit of vainglory that undercuts Lex's supposed nobility.  It's perfect for that. :P
Title: Re: DC Extended Universe
Post by: daglob on January 14, 2019, 03:49:45 PM
I think in the '60s someone raised the question in a letter column, and the possibility that the chemicals that Lex was exposed to actually changed his personality was discussed. This was probably never mentioned in the stories, but the Lexor series showed that Lex's main problem was that he hated Superman (and, by extension, everything he stood for), but that even that hate would not keep Lex from actually sacrificing himself to help the people of Lexor. Then they blew Lexor up, with Superman watching and Superman was like "Gee, a planet blew up just like Krypton. That's too bad. Oh well, places to go...".
Title: Re: DC Extended Universe
Post by: Silver Shocker on January 14, 2019, 10:56:47 PM
I haven't read the comic of All-Star Superman, but I watched the animated movie and this exchange made it in, and it's one of my favorite bits of dialogue involving Lex Luthor:

Luthor: (trying to lunge at him) I saw how to save the world! I could have made everyone see. I could have saved the world if it wasn't for you!
(Superman knocks him out)
Superman: You could have saved the world years ago if it mattered to you, Luthor.


In the animated movie, Superman doesn't knock him out, and a defeated Luthor says "You're right". I actually like that version better. Lex actually admitting the problem is him is kinda a huge deal for the character in any iteration. I imagine they put they in because of the change they made to the ending.
Title: Re: DC Extended Universe
Post by: Shogunn2517 on January 14, 2019, 11:42:15 PM
Actually, one of my more favorite portrayals of Lex Luthor comes from Smallville. I'd say less of a portrayal(even though Rosenbaum did a really fine job), but more of motivation. Over the 8-10 years of the series, we could see how he developed into the kind of person he is and how he's very much is father's son in many respects. But more than that there were a couple of times in the show that I think really captured him best. There was this one episode, the specifics escape me, but Lex I believe was betrayed by a girlfriend and he in-turn did something really "Lex Luthorry" back to her and after the ensuing falling out, she says "Lex we could have been great together." And without missing a beat he responds "I plan to be great all by myself." Like his life harden who he was to make him want to be better than everyone and to have a control he felt he didn't have growing up.

Another part was with his relationship with Clark or how he would relate to an eventual Superman. Again, I don't quite remember the specifics, but he and Clark were pontificating on a super being with super powers with promise of saving the world. Clark, of course knowing that's pretty much him, was saying this would be a good thing, while Lex was thinking that such a being with that kind of power has way too much control over who lives, who dies, etc. and for someone like him, a regular flesh and blood person to stand up to such a super being, has got to be the bravest person in the world. He was making the argument of him being the hero of his story, which again, showed me, that despite all the sinister and evil stuff we see him do, he thinks he is still the good guy for standing up to such power. To him he's the David vs Superman's Goliath and that's why he keeps fighting.
Title: Re: DC Extended Universe
Post by: daglob on January 15, 2019, 01:00:33 AM
From someplace else: you are always the hero of your own story.
Title: Re: DC Extended Universe
Post by: BentonGrey on January 15, 2019, 01:04:34 AM
Indeed, Shogunn, that was, perhaps, the greatest strength of Smallville.  It did an excellent job of showing you how Lex could become his eventual villainous self, but in a compelling, fascinating, and sympathetic way.
Title: Re: DC Extended Universe
Post by: stumpy on January 16, 2019, 09:05:14 AM
I had a longer post, but I will just again say how good Elliot S! Maggin's Luthor is. In very significant ways, it is the progenitor to the more adult, developed, and realistic aspects of Luthor that people here are talking about in All-Star Superman and Smallville (and which I have read/watched and agree). Of course, in some regards, Maggin was limited by the late 1970s / early 1980s audience Warner anticipated for his books; largely young adults who had seen the (then recent) Superman movies and would be willing to buy a paperback Superman novel. But, Maggin's vision of both Superman and Luthor is still one that will appeal to more grown-up sensibilities and I think anyone who reads them will see that so much of the quality characterization that came later was either in Maggin's books or foreshadowed in them.

I very highly recommend reading Maggin's work. Much of it is available for free on his website. Superman: Last Son of Krypton (http://ws.fortress.net.nu/thebook/lsok_contents.php) and Superman: Miracle Monday (http://ws.fortress.net.nu/thebook/mm_contents.php). Also, for anyone turned off by the notion of reading a novel adaptation of a corny movie, rest assured: Neither book has anything to do with the movies. They are new stories, only released at the time the movies were to take advantage of the publicity.
Title: Re: DC Extended Universe
Post by: Panther_Gunn on January 17, 2019, 01:43:58 AM
Quote from: stumpy on January 16, 2019, 09:05:14 AMI very highly recommend reading Maggin's work. Much of it is available for free on his website. Superman: Last Son of Krypton (http://ws.fortress.net.nu/thebook/lsok_contents.php) and Superman: Miracle Monday (http://ws.fortress.net.nu/thebook/mm_contents.php).

Great.  I'm pretty sure I have the first one, but now I have to dig it out of a box in storage to read it again, and then find the second one at the used book store.  Any idea if the Kingdom Come one is any good?
Title: Re: DC Extended Universe
Post by: BentonGrey on January 17, 2019, 03:55:09 AM
Thanks for the recommendations, Stumpy!  I had only vaguely been aware of his work, but I'll have to check those out!
Title: Re: DC Extended Universe
Post by: Silver Shocker on January 17, 2019, 04:21:08 AM
I may have to check those out. You have my curiosity.

In reply to Shogunn, those are indeed good examples of Rosumbaum's Luthor being a great, fascinating character on Smallville. For me, it was Lionel Luthor the creators seemed to struggle finding a use for, Lex was always worth having around.

Going back to All-Star Superman, it seemed to have a very good sense of what made Lex a great character (notice I said character, not just villain). This clip pretty much tells you everything you need to know. (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MZCNDwKgi7o). It strikes me as a more coherent and self-assured version of what Jesse Eisenberg's Luthor was trying to say. (to bring it back to the original topic of focus, even for a moment)

Luthor: Next to Superman, even Lex Luthor's greatness is overshadowed. [...] [flexes a muscle] Feel that, Kent. REAL muscle, not the gift of alien biochemistry, the product of hard work.

I also was a huge fan of Luthor as a good guy in the last few years of comics, from John's Justice League run to the Rebirth Superman books, up to just before Doomsday Clock and Snyder's Justice League. Seeing him walk a tightrope between heroism and falling back into old tricks was actually more interesting to me than...well falling back on old tricks, and while I knew it wouldn't last, I haven't been in a hurry to read the new Justice League comics to see him smirking it up with his Legion of Doom buddies again (even though Snyder's Luthor story in Action #1000 was very, very good).
Title: Re: DC Extended Universe
Post by: BentonGrey on January 17, 2019, 04:38:42 AM
I haven't read those new stories, SS, but I do love Luthor as a hero, albeit a very flawed one.  I think my all-time favorite Lex Luthor story may be Superman: Red Son.
Title: Re: DC Extended Universe
Post by: Silver Shocker on January 17, 2019, 05:07:24 AM
Man, I really gotta read Red Son sometime, especially since a rumor hit recently that DC may be making an animated film adaptation of it.
Title: Re: DC Extended Universe
Post by: BentonGrey on January 19, 2019, 01:53:50 AM
You definitely do.  It's really quite good, and the Luthor portrayal by itself makes it worthwhile.
Title: Re: DC Extended Universe
Post by: BentonGrey on January 21, 2019, 03:41:56 AM
Hey, how about some good news form DC?  There's a new Bruce Timm DCU film coming out, and it looks pretty neat.:
https://cosmicbook.news/justice-league-vs-fatal-five-featurette

Thanks to Spyder for pointing this out on Discord!

It's a subset of the League vs. the time traveling Fatal Five!
Title: Re: DC Extended Universe
Post by: Silver Shocker on January 21, 2019, 04:36:41 AM
Yep, I knew about this movie for a while, I meant to post about it.

Looks pretty great. Seeing Batman, WW and even Mr. Terrific in the JLU style makes me all fuzzy and nostalgic. Jessica Cruz, that's something we haven't seen in a movie like this yet. Neat. Plus Ms Martian? You know I've gotta greenlight Ms. Martian! I don't like her costume in this though.  :huh:

Ms. Martian: [To Batman, about Legion of Superheroes] "Oh. They're all teenagers. It's like your worst nightmare." Yup. I love Ms. Martian teaming up with Batman. That's amazing.

Love that Kevin Conroy, Susan Eisenberg and George Newbern are back as the Big 3, that's just how I like it. This looks and sounds and feels like a movie we should have gotten made like 10 years ago. Seems like DC's been going back to the well and looking at what worked.

"Bruce [Timm] was very specific that the didn't want to do a movie where the League fought their way through an army of faceless Parademons, where he wanted very unique opponents for them to face..."

WHOOAH! COLD BLOODED!

Yeah, this looks pretty awesome. I'm gonna watch the crap out of this when it comes out.
Title: Re: DC Extended Universe
Post by: stumpy on January 21, 2019, 07:56:01 AM
Quote from: Silver Shocker on January 21, 2019, 04:36:41 AM
"Bruce [Timm] was very specific that the didn't want to do a movie where the League fought their way through an army of faceless Parademons, where he wanted very unique opponents for them to face..."

WHOOAH! COLD BLOODED!

To be fair, it could be because Timm already had the League fighting (among others) an army of faceless parademons in the final episode of JLU.
Title: Re: DC Extended Universe
Post by: UnkoMan on January 22, 2019, 02:42:53 PM
Wait... is this in continuity?
Can we say it is, even if it isn't?
Title: Re: DC Extended Universe
Post by: HarryTrotter on January 22, 2019, 10:37:10 PM
Oh yeah,there is a new Shazam teaser out.And its pretty fun.
Title: Re: DC Extended Universe
Post by: Silver Shocker on January 22, 2019, 11:04:20 PM
Yes, I saw it, I liked it. Pretty funny. And it had a Man of Steel-esque action scene to boot.
Title: Re: DC Extended Universe
Post by: Silver Shocker on January 24, 2019, 09:09:02 AM
Going back a few topics:

Jon Cryer is back, and he's holding a grudge for The Dude of Steel!

https://www.dccomics.com/blog/2019/01/23/first-look-jon-cryer-as-supergirls-lex-luthor (https://www.dccomics.com/blog/2019/01/23/first-look-jon-cryer-as-supergirls-lex-luthor)

Yeaaaah that looks pretty cool. I, like a lot of people was super skeptical when I heard this casting, but it might just work. I kinda doubt he'll unseat Rosenbaum, but if he does, that'll be yet another thing the Arrowverse and Supergirl in particular did better than Smallville.
Title: Re: DC Extended Universe
Post by: Silver Shocker on January 29, 2019, 12:17:34 PM
Here's that Shazam trailer, for those who haven't yet seen it. (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yJCbtNZ18O8)

And here's the teaser trailer for Birds of Prey, featuring the next appearance of Harley Quinn!: (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VsQXWkzhz1I)

Yep, that sure is a thing. Freeze framing through all the shots (or looking up screenshots online; I assume those are easy to find online now) reveal our cast: Mary Elizabeth Winstead as Huntress, Black Canary, Ewen McGregor as Black Mask, Victor Zasz, and Batgirl/Black Bat/Orphan herself CASSANDRA CAIN! played by Ella Jay Basco, yes, the niece of Hook actor and Avatar The Last Airbender voice actor Dante Basco. Neat! (https://heroichollywood.com/birds-of-prey-cassandra-cain-first-look/)

She looks, pretty good? I think she's a little more punk than I'd prefer, but hey, this is the same studio that brought us Suicide Squad! I'm just glad Cass has the opportunity to suck for once!

Director Kathy Yan has confirmed the film will be a R-Rating. I predict Deadpool getting salty about them riding his coattails Wolverine style!

Title: Re: DC Extended Universe
Post by: HarryTrotter on January 29, 2019, 12:56:45 PM
Thats pretty...80's I guess?
Title: Re: DC Extended Universe
Post by: Silver Shocker on January 29, 2019, 02:31:01 PM
Yep, it sure is 80's. Margot Robbie roller skating around makes me think of Xanadu or something. I mean considering the full title of the film: The full title, for those of you who don't know, is "Birds of Prey (And The Fantabulous Emancipation of One Harley Quinn)" it seems like it's going to be weird for the sake of weird. Wacky as a general mission statement. The problem with that is you then don't have to necessarily deliver on good writing or characters as long as you make everything "edgy" and "alternative" and "punk" and "weird" and "wacky" and "indie" and "hipster". As at least two reviewers I watch have pointed out Suicide Squad was pretty much Hot Topic the movie....this is....um...something else comparable.

Remember how Katana said and did pretty much jack all in Suicide Squad, but it didn't matter, but she looked like the comics and standing alongside a bunch of characters in garish outfits and special effects and makeup and Rick Flag delivered a bunch of terrible exposition about Katana to make up for the fact that we're not going to see or learn any of that stuff organically in the flick? (rumor has it the entire SS film was pretty much stuff like that getting cut out in post) Yeah, I'm 100% prepared for Cass to be pretty much that. And for Ewin Macgregor to spend most of the movie NOT wearing a black skull mask (search your feelings, you know it to be true!)

PLEASE let this not suck. And if it's going to suck, can we at least have Cass be an actual character while they've actually got a chance for Cass to be in a non-cameo role in something?
Title: Re: DC Extended Universe
Post by: UnkoMan on February 12, 2019, 04:10:07 PM
Boy sure would be cool if Black Mask was... you know, wearing a black mask of some kind.
There is every possibility and chance to make this a good movie, I just doubt it will happen.
Why can't DC make good movies? What's wrong? Is it because they get scared from a business standpoint and want to make money?

Why not just find a good director with some decent vision, and let them make a good movie? It's not hard! It's happened before! Good movies exist.
THAT is what I am hoping the Joker is. Not confined to being a "franchise film," just being a good movie.

I ended up watching Aquaman the other day and was so bored I just fell asleep. It took me a long time to finish that already too long, boring film.
Title: Re: DC Extended Universe
Post by: kkhohoho on February 14, 2019, 03:01:15 AM
Quote from: UnkoMan on February 12, 2019, 04:10:07 PM
Boy sure would be cool if Black Mask was... you know, wearing a black mask of some kind.
There is every possibility and chance to make this a good movie, I just doubt it will happen.
Why can't DC make good movies? What's wrong? Is it because they get scared from a business standpoint and want to make money?

Why not just find a good director with some decent vision, and let them make a good movie? It's not hard! It's happened before! Good movies exist.
THAT is what I am hoping the Joker is. Not confined to being a "franchise film," just being a good movie.

I ended up watching Aquaman the other day and was so bored I just fell asleep. It took me a long time to finish that already too long, boring film.

At least we got Wonder Woman. That one was killer.
Title: Re: DC Extended Universe
Post by: Silver Shocker on March 11, 2019, 01:36:57 AM
Yeah, we brought it up earlier in this thread. You don't like what they're going for the Shazaam movie, eh? Sorry to hear it. I think I looks like it'll be fun. And early critic buzz on twitter is positive. Which I'm happy to hear.

QuoteOh and because Will Smith is too busy with his podcast to reprise Deadshot in the Squad sequel, they tabbed Idrias Elba to take his place. As if we couldn't tell the difference between the two of them...and too busy with a podcast?!?
Didn't know it was because of a podcast. Yeah, that's a odd choice. Edris Elba's a great actor, but him and Will Smith are too very different actors, both in appearance and build and acting and voice. Odd choice.
Title: Re: DC Extended Universe
Post by: HarryTrotter on March 12, 2019, 04:43:46 PM
Quote from: Deaths Jester on March 11, 2019, 12:42:50 AM
This is going to tank at the theaters big time!
No,it wont.
Title: Re: DC Extended Universe
Post by: GhostMachine on March 13, 2019, 03:29:51 AM
It may not tank, but they could have done better casting for CM than Zachary Levi, and I don't like the light-up lightning bolt. They apparently made 8 costumes, and they cost a million dollars each. Going with something like `Its Billy in an adult body' and giving him a best friend who knows his secret identity doesn't appeal to me at all. I do like the casting of Mark Strong as Dr. Sivana, though.

Also, I'm not thrilled about Suicide Squad II, so far. I actually don't mind Idris Elba replacing Will Smith as Deadshot, and I'm glad James Gunn is directing since the stupid decision to fire him from the Guardians of the Galaxy movies happened. But I'm not thrilled with some of the characters they're bringing in (two of whom were actually Wizard Magazine's "Morts of the Month"), and apparently Harley isn't going to be in it since she's getting a movie with the Birds of Prey. The one role I wish they'd recast? Rick Flagg. Joel Kinnaman has the charisma of a shorted-out toaster. (He's one of the reasons I've only watched the first episode of `Altered Carbson', so far.)




Title: Re: DC Extended Universe
Post by: kkhohoho on March 13, 2019, 12:03:43 PM
Quote from: GhostMachine on March 13, 2019, 03:29:51 AM
Going with something like `Its Billy in an adult body' and giving him a best friend who knows his secret identity

I mean, that's how it's been in the comics since 1987, Post-Crisis. You really think they're gonna change that now?
Title: Re: DC Extended Universe
Post by: Silver Shocker on March 13, 2019, 11:14:08 PM
Quote from: GhostMachine on March 13, 2019, 03:29:51 AM
Also, I'm not thrilled about Suicide Squad II, so far. I actually don't mind Idris Elba replacing Will Smith as Deadshot, and I'm glad James Gunn is directing since the stupid decision to fire him from the Guardians of the Galaxy movies happened. But I'm not thrilled with some of the characters they're bringing in (two of whom were actually Wizard Magazine's "Morts of the Month"), and apparently Harley isn't going to be in it since she's getting a movie with the Birds of Prey. The one role I wish they'd recast? Rick Flagg. Joel Kinnaman has the charisma of a shorted-out toaster. (He's one of the reasons I've only watched the first episode of `Altered Carbson', so far.)

People seem to forget this, but originally Rick Flag was supposed to be played by Tom Hardy. Funny thing, of what I've seen Rick Flag was one of Joel Kinnaman's better roles. He was more subdued in the Robocop remake.
Title: Re: DC Extended Universe
Post by: detourne_me on April 06, 2019, 03:16:54 AM
So I just watched Shazam! Last night. It was fun, and a lot more child-friendly than I expected. I'd put it at around Venom levels of quality. Not the best film, but nothing really terrible about it. So, its pretty much the third best DCEU movie now after Wonder Woman and Aquaman.

Here are a few spoilers:
Spoiler
so Sivana was more like a Sabbac type character, using the power of the seven deadly sins, but that's OK. He has the potential to become full on crazy scientist. Seeing a whole new Marvel family was pretty interesting too.
If you see it in tye theaters, the mid credits stinger is pretty good, but the after credits scene is pretty lame. You could skip that
Title: Re: DC Extended Universe
Post by: Jimaras8 on April 06, 2019, 12:09:31 PM
Third best DCEU doesn't mean much to me personally since i have only liked WW. AQ had some good parts but i couldn't care about any character at all.
Title: Re: DC Extended Universe
Post by: detourne_me on April 06, 2019, 05:31:22 PM
Yeah, id say save your money then. I was able to use a free ticket. Otherwise I wouldnt have seen it.
Title: Re: DC Extended Universe
Post by: Silver Shocker on April 06, 2019, 08:36:16 PM
It's getting good reviews. I'll see it down the line. I'll probably enjoy it. I did watch Aquaman recently and I thought that was alright. Not great but I enjoyed enough of it.

Quote from: detourne_me on April 06, 2019, 03:16:54 AM
Here are a few spoilers:
Spoiler
so Sivana was more like a Sabbac type character, using the power of the seven deadly sins, but that's OK. He has the potential to become full on crazy scientist. Seeing a whole new Marvel family was pretty interesting too.

Spoiler
The New Marvel family, like this version of Sivana, is taken directly from the modern comics. Regardless, DC/WB have made a concentrated effort to keep them out of the trailers (with the Freddie's kid form appearing extensively, and I've seen an ad where Mary appears for one quick joke) so a lot of people get to be surprised, which is pretty cool.

I think the classic mad scientist version of Sivana might be seen as an anachronism in the modern day (by the filmakers/creative team) I mean, you could still do it (and hopefully do a better version than Jesse Eisenberg's Lex Luthor) but I think they just felt this new version made things more simple and more straightforward, plus they probably wanted to hold off on doing Black Adam until a later movie, so as to not overshadow Billy Batson. Plus, if they'll still going off the modern Johns interpretations, Black Adam's presence would presumably make the film quite a bit darker, which was clearly not the angle they were going for here.

Was pretty amused to hear Mr. Mind shows up in the post credits scene. That's great!  :D What did he sound like? I would guess a digitally-altered high-pitched voice?
Title: Re: DC Extended Universe
Post by: Tomato on April 08, 2019, 02:42:57 AM
Spoiler
They did a MOSTLY good job of keeping media spoiler free. When the collector toy line has ALL 7 members of the family with Sivana... that spoiled the surprise for me.

As for Mr. Mind... when I heard it, I got confused because I thought I was hearing The Brain. I'm so used to that type of voice for that character from TT and YJ it threw me off until I saw him.

Personally, it's my favorite of the DC films by a WIDE margin. Don't get me wrong, I liked WW, but that is a good film dragged down by an AWFUL final act with the second worst case of a mustache causing issues in the DCEU. This is a FUN movie, from start to finish. Anyone here who's been looking for a fun romp in the DC universe that doesn't take itself super seriously (*cough*Benton you should actually see this one*cough*), Shazam is that movie. It has some issues sure, but I'll take "Fun but with a few plot holes" over whatever Garbage Snyder thinks makes a good film.
Title: Re: DC Extended Universe
Post by: Silver Shocker on April 08, 2019, 07:12:18 PM
I was saying this a little while ago with to a peer of mine. Is it making fun of Shazam? Yeah, I'd say so. But 1. So did all of the marketing for Spider-Man: Into the Spider-Verse with Peter Parker and 2. Let's be honest here. The more earnest oldschool version of Shazam as a movie was probably never going to be made [in the modern day] Plus, it's been established by juxtaposing the Big Red Cheese with other, less corny superheroes (including Superman of all people in JLU!) just makes for good humor and character dynamics. It's like, yeah, the JLU version of Question is NOT the Steve Ditko version or the Denny O'Neil version of the character, but that version was very entertaining so I'm ok with it.
Title: Re: DC Extended Universe
Post by: HarryTrotter on April 13, 2019, 05:39:04 AM
Its actually a good movie.My complaint is that in ends in big CGI brawl like every other movie made in the last 10 years.
Title: Re: DC Extended Universe
Post by: HarryTrotter on April 18, 2019, 06:52:46 PM
So the Swamp Thing teaser is out.And his face looks pretty faithful.
Everything else I read about it is not as promising.
Title: Re: DC Extended Universe
Post by: UnkoMan on April 19, 2019, 03:45:59 PM
Uh, we already have a perfect Swamp Thing movie.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mGTTr8_DN8o

Ha ha ha.

But in seriousness, that's alright. Is it going to be spooky? I know nothing.
Title: Re: DC Extended Universe
Post by: HarryTrotter on May 17, 2019, 05:38:28 AM
It looks like the next choice for Batman is Robert Pattison.Im not sure if this is some elaborate prank.
Title: Re: DC Extended Universe
Post by: kkhohoho on May 17, 2019, 12:07:57 PM
Quote from: HarryTrotter on May 17, 2019, 05:38:28 AM
Robert Pattison

Who?
Title: Re: DC Extended Universe
Post by: HarryTrotter on May 17, 2019, 12:44:09 PM
Quote from: kkhohoho on May 17, 2019, 12:07:57 PM
Quote from: HarryTrotter on May 17, 2019, 05:38:28 AM
Robert Pattison

Who?
Oh,I made a typo,you owned me there. 😀
*Robert Pattinson.
Title: Re: DC Extended Universe
Post by: Silver Shocker on May 17, 2019, 08:31:43 PM
Edward Cullen from Twilight.

I do wonder how he is as an actor since those movies finished up. A lot of people (myself included) initially thought Ben Affleck was a odd choice to play Batman, so I suppose I should have an open mind.
Title: Re: DC Extended Universe
Post by: UnkoMan on May 17, 2019, 08:57:51 PM
Twilight. He's Twilight.

He's actually not so bad though. He was good in Cosmopolis.

So, is this a totally different Batman? Is it Dick as Batman? Did they drop the shared universe idea?
I guess I could google all this, but I always lurk here for info.
Title: Re: DC Extended Universe
Post by: Silver Shocker on May 17, 2019, 09:42:03 PM
So last I heard the Batman movie is going to be a prequel with a younger Batman. That was apparently DC's way of getting around not wanting to recast Batman after Ben Affleck played him.

Which, I'm a bit frustrated by. 1. Because I actually would have liked to see Ben Affleck play a Batman in a movie that was wholly about Batman and 2. Because Deathstroke was supposed to be the villain in it, and if they're changing it to a prequel with a younger Batman, then I guess that means that Joe Manganiello as Deathstroke doesn't get to pay off?

Now, a younger Batman movie could be cool. But we already got Batman Begins, so I'm not sure it's worth doing unless they bring something to the table that wasn't already done....or done well. Which is why I think they might as well do Robin. Or Batgirl. Or both. Now yeah, they're doing a Titans show and that has Robin in it, but they already established Robin in the DCEU (unless of course they just reboot by then).

I also recall them saying this would be more of a detective movie...which is another route to do. Despite Batman carrying the nickname "The World's Greatest Detective" there's actually very little detective work in the various Batman movies (and what is there isn't particularly well done)
Title: Re: DC Extended Universe
Post by: Tomato on June 17, 2019, 01:06:08 PM
So. I was recently trapped on a metal tube for two hours, so I saw Aquaman. In short, it was fine, but I'm glad I paid $0 for it tbh.

Spoiler
I will say right out of the gate... I do get what people were talking about regarding this movie setting him on the path to be the strong character from the comics, but I think it's deeper than that. Where in JL he's JUST Aqua-jock, I think in his solo film it's pretty clear the frat boy attitude is a defence mechanism, a way to keep other people, especially women, at arms length. He plays the fool, but the dude knows at least 4 languages (though with all the languages they were introducing you'd think they'd actually make an Atlantean language.) is a student of history, and generally very sensitive to other cultures.

Other then that... It's ok. Like, the whole "global quest" thing was ok, but I found the movie to be very oddly paced and some of the logic super funky. Like, there's NO reason for them to have gone to Atlantis other than to show it off and to have the first fight scene there. The whole shoving pollution back on land thing was also just bizarre, because Orm hadn't even gotten his army ready yet, and serves no other function except "we need a reason for Aquaman to see things are serious and get involved."
Title: Re: DC Extended Universe
Post by: Silver Shocker on July 16, 2019, 09:43:30 PM
So I watched Shazam. Pretty great, honestly. Yeah, I'd have to say of all the DCEU movies, it's gotta be the one I enjoyed the most.
Title: Re: DC Extended Universe
Post by: Silver Shocker on November 11, 2019, 12:47:55 AM
So our buddy Zach Snyder is back in the headlines lately, still talking about Justice League (I know, I know, but hear me out, this one's preeeety cool) We've heard about the mythical "Snyder Cut" and I talked about it at length earlier in this thread. But recently Snyder put out storyboards proving that Harry Lennix's military general character from Man of Steel (who was also in Batman V Superman as the U.S. Secretary of Defense).....was The Martian Manhunter the whole time!!!  :o

WHAAAAAAA?! [[apparently it was fan theory going all the way back to Man of Steel's release]

Did David S. Goyer know about this?  :blink: And according to Snyder, he filmed ALL the scenes with MM, except the stuff with Lennix. So you all remember that "Unite the Seven" buisiness? The seventh JL member was in these movies the whole time and we never knew?!!

The storyboard also reveals that he was in the movie pretending to be Martha Kent, talking to Lois. And since that scene IS in the released version, Martian Manhunter technically is in the movie.

Then again....that does raise a question as to why he was discouraging Lois from "putting back [Superman's] halo" in BVS.
Title: Re: DC Extended Universe
Post by: Silver Shocker on April 22, 2020, 11:26:53 PM
Getting back to a topic that started....over two years ago?  :o Wow, where did the time go?

All-time great versions of Lex Luthor. Specifically, Superman: Red Son. I've finally started reading it because I wanted to read it before I watched the animated movie.

Quote from: BentonGreyI haven't read those new stories, SS, but I do love Luthor as a hero, albeit a very flawed one.  I think my all-time favorite Lex Luthor story may be Superman: Red Son.

Quote from: Silver ShockerMan, I really gotta read Red Son sometime, especially since a rumor hit recently that DC may be making an animated film adaptation of it.

Quote from: BentonGrey You definitely do.  It's really quite good, and the Luthor portrayal by itself makes it worthwhile.

Well, I'm on the opening scene with Lex, and after reading the first three panels featuring the character, my response was literally "This is one of the greatest versions of Lex Luthor I've ever seen."
I don't buy for a second that any non-powered human would be as smart as him in real life, but he totally comes off as the coolest guy ever. He makes Tony Stark look like a loser.

Also the bit with his winning multiple chess games in a row was portrayed on-screen in one of his earlier appearances on the Supergirl Tv series, which makes sense, as that story arc featured a Supergirl version of Red Son Superman called Red Daughter.
Title: Re: DC Extended Universe
Post by: BentonGrey on April 26, 2020, 10:42:47 PM
Nice!  It's a good story, but it's a great take on Lex.  His last scene is actually the clearest distillation of the character to me.  I always think of that when I think of Lex.  I hope you continue to enjoy it!
Title: Re: DC Extended Universe
Post by: Silver Shocker on May 19, 2020, 02:19:51 PM
Just finished it. Pretty good story, but yeah, Lex was great in it. But boy did that ending lay it on thick...and then got really weird!

Spoiler
"He was asked by Newsbots about his greatest accomplishment. The answer was SIMPLE, he whispered, replying without a MOMENT'S HESITATION -- 'Defeating THE ALIEN, my boy. What in the world could possibly compare with saving my people from SUPERMAN?' And with a SMILE on his face, Doctor Lex Luthor DIED."

Yeah, that sounds about right.   ^_^
Title: Re: DC Extended Universe
Post by: BentonGrey on May 19, 2020, 03:47:14 PM
Yeah, that ending for him is perfect.  He saves the world, becomes adored hero he always wanted to be...but what REALLY mattered to him was proving that he was better than the alien.  :lol:
Title: Re: DC Extended Universe
Post by: Tomato on May 20, 2020, 03:35:44 AM
So, having heard good things about Darkseid War, I made a day of watching through any I had not seen via DC Universe, then watching Darkseid War. I haven't always been a fan of the "DCAMU" but I liked both the Titans movies, and there have been gems and fun moments along the way.

However, personally, I hate this film and everything it stands for.

Spoiler
There are two massive, glaring problems I have with this movie that pretty much sum up why I despise everything about it.

First, man, this is a movie that loves it some killing. Like, it LOVES to showcase beloved heroes being brutally murdered. Jon Stewart? Burned to ash. Starfire? Torn in half, her organs splayed over the battlefield. Cyborg? His head mounted on Darkseid's wall. This is a movie that brings together characters from all across their film universe JUST so we can see them brutally and horribly murdered. And that's just the deaths, Dick Grayson's fate is to be locked in a cell forever because Damian tried to resurrect him with the Lazarus Pit.

Second, and this is what really sticks in my craw... there's no consequences for any of it. After we got past the opening, I was expecting the endgame to be them going back in time and warning their past selves about the failed offensive that kicked things off. But no, after stopping Darkseid but with the earth a razor's edge away from being destroyed anyway, the film ends with John Constantine looking at Barry Allen and saying "Yeah, we need a full Flashpoint-esque do-over. Anything's better than this."

That... offends me. Again, I'm not the biggest fan of all of the creative choices of this series, but there was a lot of good too. The Titans movies were both really good. The Superman movies adapted some pretty awful comics into decent, narratively cohesive films (which aren't perfect but they are leagues better than the source material). I think most of us were super frustrated by the N52 that spawned this series, but when DC decided to fix the N52, they didn't just wipe it all away. Even when the time came for Doomsday Clock to reboot things back, it didn't do that by spitting in the face of what came before: Rather, it acknowledged the good of the past and set the stage for future stories. This movie, by contrast, says that whatever characters and stories you liked from nearly a decade's worth of films? They're all garbage and none of it matters because we just rebooted it out of existence.

Here's the thing: the fact that Damian and Raven got together at the end, the fact that X, Y and Z survived... I ultimately don't care because they no longer exist. Now, we've had stories like this before, the horrible future that is undone by time travel in the end. But there's usually weight behind those events because we see either characters from this future who know the change will cost them (AoA Storm and Wolverine from the X-men cartoon come to mind) or who make the sacrifice in the story so that the time travel can happen. Getting Flash back so he can travel back in time isn't the endgame here: we barely see Flash the entire film. Most of the "current" deaths happen so they can seal away Darkseid, which they manage to do. Constantine instigates Barry's reboot at the end at no cost, and there's no sense that anything of value would be lost in rebooting everything... and that's simply not true.
Title: Re: DC Extended Universe
Post by: BentonGrey on May 20, 2020, 11:01:24 PM
Interesting, 'Mato.  I have no love or affection for those movies, really, and you know my feelings on blank-slatting things.  Of course, that only works if you're prepared to fix the problems that messed things up in the first place, which I've got no reason to assume that they are.  Of course, the only movies of that bunch I've seen have been actively bad or tremendously flawed.  I did see a bit of Death of Superman, which didn't look too bad, but not enough to have a real opinion.  Throne of Atlantis was a real mess.  :P
Title: Re: DC Extended Universe
Post by: Silver Shocker on May 23, 2020, 02:11:16 AM
[SS sees the "SS Signal" in the sky, does the Micheal Keaton pose]

Watched Red Son. Not too bad, but one of many instances of the book being better.

It's a middle ground between super-faithful DC adaptations (Year One, DKR) and loose adaptations (pretty much everything else they've done). Some scenes, like Superman's confrontation with Batman and the dance with WW, are almost identical. While other stuff is completely different.

Spoiler
One of the biggest changes is the absense of Pete Ross (or rather, Pyotr Roslov). I knew that would make a big difference, but I didn't realize quite how much. Instead of Pyotr poisoning Stalin, Superman disintegrates him with his heat vision (which, naturally, makes Red Son Superman seem much more villainous), and Batman doesn't team up with Pyotr, making his final scene carry much less weight. WW is now implied to be full lesbian, and no longer has an attraction to Superman, and now hates and distrusts men, which would have been fine, except she talks about it in literally every scene she's in, which gets repetitive and old. Brainiac (who's voiced by Paul Williams, the voice of Penguin from Batman TAS, which was neat to hear) also destroys the bottled city of Stalingrad, which is swapped out for the letter. Lana has a slightly larger role, and most notably, a LOT of Lex's material is either changed or removed. His opening scene is taken out, and the ending is changed entirely so Lex resigns from his presidenancy and retires with Lois, who he reconciles with.

My favorite part of the film, by far, though was the cameo by John Stewart as a member of the GL army that fights Superman. He yells "LIGHT EM UP!" while voiced once again by Phill Lemarr, a deliberate callback to the assualt on Amazo from JLU.

On to...sigh...On to Justice League Dark: Apokalypse War (long title). Well, Tomato, if it makes you feel any better.....I hated it too.  :(

Well, Zack Sydner's Justice League came out early. I mean, I see DC finally made an animated movie of Future's End...I mean, I see DC's still ripping off Marvel by ripping off Endgame again...I could go on all day.

Well on the plus side, Matt Ryan as John Contantine is as excellent as ever. It's bizarre that he gets top billing in the big finale to the DC Animated Movie universe (apparently it starring Constantine and Raven makes it "Justice League Dark"), but oh well. I was also happy to see Damien and Raven again, and Lady Shiva popping up was neat.

And the "Fight Club" sequence is pretty much the best scene in the movie. 

In general, if you've seen all the other movies in this set (as I have), it is kinda neat to see all these different characters pop up again. Like IW/Endgame. Of course, not nearly as good, but oh well.

On the other hand...well, this is the most R-Rated DC movie that ever R-Rated. The violence in this movie is very gratiuitious, and we even have Raven of all people delivering an F-Bomb. That was surprising.

Spoiler
More specifically, seeing the Justice League violently torn apart with God Of War-level blood is the height of vulgarity, it really did remind me, and I must imagine many others, of Future's End.

Past that, this movie is such a rippoff of Infinity War and Endgame it's almost plagiarism. I mean, it also seems to be heavily inspired by Snyder's original script for Justice League (which WB rejected for being "too scary"), but it's basically "Hey, what if Endgame, but R-rated, and also the entirely of IW happens in the opening five minutes?".

Oh also, Etrigan rips off Thor saying "I like this one". They even make it a running gag for him.

[writing this as I watch] ....did I just see Starfire's entrails? Great Caesar's Ghost....

On the other hand, Nice to see Harley Quinn looking like classic HQ, and John Constantine arguing with Captain Boomerang is pretty classic. And it's always nice to hear Hynden Walsh voicing Harley again, I've always liked her as HQ. The character herself gets annoying in spots, but I always thought HQ was annoying in heavy doses.

"King Shark is a shark." He certainly is. I read Secret Six, I remember this joke. Would have been nice if they didn't run it into the ground. Also, Amanda Waller dying offscreen from cancer being made into a joke at Harley's expense...didn't love that. This part of the movie would have been a bit better if Waller showed up for it.

Captain Boomerang trying to sneak a stolen truck into a base while the inside is covered in blood....that's pretty funny in a dark humor way.

Funny thing, I just finished watching the Cadmus arc of JLU on televised reruns...and now I'm imagining this whole storyline as an arc of JLU and...yeah, it would be a lot better that way.

[Lady Shiva gets shot in the head violently onscreen.] Sigh....why isn't this movie better? It's like watching Reign of the Supermen all over again. Which is appropriate considering this movie is pretty much a direct followup to it.

[sees John Stewart reduced to a skeleton] You know what, I don't even care anymore.

[Sees Cyborg JL] Ok, now it actually IS Future's End. The guy from Shortpack would love this movie.

[Sees Etrigan give a speech before he dies] Hurry up and die so this thing can wrap up.

[Watching Suicide Squad fight army of Doomsday] I think someone involved in the movie loves the Suicide Squad. Or it was a studio mandate. Either way I must say Boomer one-shotting multiple Doomsdays and Bane getting violently eaten to death and I'm just like "Ok, whatever". Why isn't this movie better?

[Evil Cyborg shows up] I like that he sounds like a mix of Darth Vader and Soundwave. I'll take what I can get at this point. That John Constantine though.

[Batman doesn't kill Damien because it reminds him of his parents being killed] WHY DID YOU SAY THAT NAME?!!! Yep, I couldn't help but by reminded of that.

[Damien is horribly murdered] Oh, screw off. I shouldn't even be angry about that, since it happened in the comics, but this movie just isn't earning anything. How is this thing LONGER than Endgame when it's only a hour and half long?

[Lex Luthor is horribly murdered] [long drawn out sigh/groan] [Jon Constantine is horribly murdered] [""]

[Superman pretty much goes Super Saiyan] *yawn* there's so many other, better things I could be doing right now.

[Raven cradles Damien's dying body and tells him she loves him] WHY ISN'T THIS MOVIE BETTER?!!!

[Superman is still fighting Darkseid] Man, Doom Patrol S2 can't get here soon enough.

[Trigon shows up and fights Doomsday [EDIT: I mean Darkseid]] How the hell are the Teen Titans Go movies more entertaining than this? HOW DO YOU DO THAT?

[Raven says "Goodbye, Father" to Trigon] WHY WON'T THIS MOVIE END? You're just going to Flashpoint it all away anyways, you telegraph every twist at least 20 minutes in advance, none of this junk matters, why won't this movie end?

[Contantine: You know what you have to do Mate. Flash: Flashpoint. I promised Iris I wouldn't....not again.] Don't make me think of your much better CW counterpart Barry. Even he'd Flashpoint this and he learned the hard way to stop changing the timeline.

[Barry runs off, music swells, Raven and Damien kiss] [SS cries in fetal position] Whyisn'tthemoviebetter?  :wacko:

[Hard cut to credits, plays the sad, solemn music because it worked for Infinity War, no post credit scene, we don't even see the new timeline] ....Bullocks.

Oh, yeah, and before I forget... the animation is oddly cheap in certain spots. And some of the voice actors seem oddly off their game. I think they'd had too much time between movies.

So yeah, in summation (the movie's kinda boring for a lot of its running time which makes it easy to write a review during it) this is the DC animated movie universe going out with a wimper (much like Dark Phoenix) and I'm mildly dissapointed, especially since I too heard good things about this thing online for a few weeks. This movie is an shining example of how not to Endgame, how not to Geoff Johns, and with a few tweaks to the script, could easily work as a PARODY of modern day DC. It's a shame, because I was looking forward to this thing ever since I first heard of it, and theorically I should have loved it (again, like Reign of the Supermen). But it's just too much, I can't even. It has the exact same problem as Reign of the Superman. All the stuff that should get a big impact and payoff (there is SO much payoff in this movie, I should absolutely love it, and yet I don't) just falls flat or feels like they're trying too hard. I said it back when Reign came out, I've said it about DC movies and shows for years, and I say it now: they need better writing. Another problem the movie has is every single twist or big reveal in the movie is completely predictable. Batman being an evil Metron, Lex being "ZE SPY!" "I knew it!" "No you didn't!", Raven letting Trigon loose, the other characters learning Flash caused Flashpoint.

This is a perfect time for me to once again reiterate: Dark is not good. Good is good.

While we're on the topic of the DCAU animated movies in general, I wrote a review of Justice League vs the Fatal Five back when it came out, but didn't end up posting it. That was a pretty fun movie.
Title: Re: DC Extended Universe
Post by: Tomato on May 23, 2020, 02:34:52 AM
What floors me SS, is that you bring him up... but this was likely written alongside Doomsday Clock, written by Geoff Johns, who arguably told this exact story (dark future that's supposedly the ultimate result of the changes post-flashpoint) in a way that didn't make me so vehemently angry... heck, I actuallly LIKED Doomsday Clock in the end. I don't think it's as good as it thinks it is, but ultimately it's purpose is to restore the DCU to a better place without invalidating what came before. And that book also had a perfectly suitable dark future that we need to correct, without the need for constant mindless, gory deaths.

It almost feels like things should be reversed, with the needlessly gory Darkseid War being the child of semi-edgelord Geoff Johns, and Doomsday Clock the story by the animation studio trying to tone things down a bit for kids. But this movie is just ALL IN on the Edgelord, while you have Geoff Johns seemingly trying to restore the history and fun he helped take away.
Title: Re: DC Extended Universe
Post by: Silver Shocker on May 23, 2020, 02:45:01 AM
I actually am a bit of an outcast in that I really enjoyed Doomsday Clock...the reason I brought up Johns is, because, for all his love of violence and limbs being torn off, he fairly consistently has the writing chops to make up for it. This, for whatever reason, does not. I did check the credits for this thing, the writer is Mairghread Scott, who's got a pretty extensive resume writing for children's entertainment (such as TF and the GotG cartoon), she's fairly reliable, which makes it all the more disappointing that this thing isn't better. If I read on Tvtropes later that this thing was heavily mandated by the higher-ups, I'd believe it though [EDIT: I did, and it was] - it's a roadmap of almost everything wrong with modern DC (well, not quite - the Joker makes no appearance whatsover in it, but for whatever reason Joker was not a major character in this set of movies).

The thing that actively makes me angry about this thing, is that there are so many moments of payoff in this thing, that in a better or different movie in this set, would be so much more satisfying. All of the stuff with Raven and Damien should have been really impactful and enjoyable, except it's in this, a movie where nothing matters and nothing lands.

You, know, just this morning I was remembering the short-lived cartoon "Beware the Batman" and was wondering why DC has struggled so much to make a decent, long-lasting Batman animated show lately. And now I'm kind of reminded why. DC always seems to be in a weird place, and their animated movies are a great example of that.
Title: Re: DC Extended Universe
Post by: catwhowalksbyhimself on August 25, 2020, 09:33:58 AM
Apparently in the ongoing DC fandome event, it was confirmed that the crossover with the TV series is canon to the movies and is how the movies Flash takes the name Flash.

Which is cool.
Title: Re: DC Extended Universe
Post by: GhostMachine on August 30, 2020, 06:51:01 PM
Meh. I don't like the movie Flash at all. He's supposed to be getting a new costume, which is good. (The armor is ugly) But the character's personality comes off as a hyper, dumber version of the Tom Holland Spider-Man.
Title: Re: DC Extended Universe
Post by: BentonGrey on August 30, 2020, 11:59:22 PM
Yeah, he was such a transparent attempt to copy the popularity of Holland's Spidey that it was painful to watch.  Like pretty much everything DC did to that point, it was an example of aping something successful with no regard for what they were adapting and no understanding of what had made their source successful in the first place.
Title: Re: DC Extended Universe
Post by: GhostMachine on August 31, 2020, 03:08:47 AM
I look at it this way...

DC = Better tv shows, not counting AGENTS OF SH.I.E.L.D.

Marvel = Better movies. Wonder Woman and Aquaman are the only DCEU movies I'd put on par with the Marvel ones.

The people running the DC movies just do not get most of the characters. Batman and Superman do not kill. Lex Luthor was more Joker than Luthor, and should not have had hair. Flash is a putz who they could kill off and I honestly wouldn't care.

Title: Re: DC Extended Universe
Post by: Silver Shocker on August 31, 2020, 08:32:12 AM
I actually never thought of the Tom Holland Spider-Man comparison until you guys pointed it out.  I just viewed it as a way for them to add more levity and humor into the franchise at that point and have different personalities to bounce off each other.

QuoteMarvel = Better movies. Wonder Woman and Aquaman are the only DCEU movies I'd put on par with the Marvel ones.

Shazam was my favorite.
Title: Re: DC Extended Universe
Post by: SickAlice on August 31, 2020, 10:56:36 AM
I got to agree on movie Flash. I won't say I hated it or anything but the character is pretty 2 dimensional. I blame it on what I'll call The Cram, which would be WB not getting on developing the individual characters early enough much less settling on an established cannon early enough either thus the character being crammed in as a supporting cast to the more well known to worldwide viewers characters and less standing alone. Hence a trope character that played off and up the established character types and their own development. I suppose what's done is done though.

On Shazam I appreciated that the heroes are foster children. I think it's great that they gave rl foster kids and now grown ones something to connect with and something for other kids to connect with them.
Title: Re: DC Extended Universe
Post by: BentonGrey on September 01, 2020, 09:59:53 PM
Hilariously, Justice League: TAS had more personality and depth to their characters (as flat as they started out) after their first 30 minute episode than the DC film did after three freaking hours.
Title: Re: DC Extended Universe
Post by: SickAlice on September 06, 2020, 04:17:04 AM
Reluctantly I got to agree there too. I won't say I hated it, I didn't though bias where anything with comic characters or video game ones automatically has an appeal to me. But I couldn't find myself involved is the term I think. Noted they made a press release about the issue beforehand and that they were racing to reinvent it having felt the same when they looked at their own product. Visual effects were up I'll give it that, WB seems good there. Aquaman if nothing else hit that one out of the park imo. But heart and character depth tends to be lacking. Shazam had heart which goes a long way, that is where Disney/Marvel projects really succeed I think as well being a genuinely fun experience. Joker I think can naturally have been said to be involving as well carry it's weight in layering the characters albeit disturbing as it is. Though WB does acknowledge and get it at least. I can only move to that they didn't get on this early enough. Historically WB isn't known for taking gambles, they stick with what already sells and what's comfortable and in the DC case that would be Batman and Superman. And when something doesn't pay off, Green Lantern for example, they tend to abandon it instead of giving it another try and trying to make something more substantial. Marvel has impressed me as being the opposite and it paid of for them, starting back with the surprise hit of Blade going forward and creating that character and franchise growth with worldwide households patiently over the years regardless of flops and hurdles. I hope going forward the mistakes they've made and seeing the model of their competitors causes a big shift in the way they approach their live action ventures because really I want to see it and I want to be so blown away I can't stop talking about what they do. I want to see Lobo movie for one example that the world loves Lobo and can't shut up about it and kids wear Lobo Halloween masks because he's their new favorite. I want to see a Superman movie that wins several awards. And so on and I know I'm not alone. It's not a matter of dissing because again I like all this stuff regardless of what it is but I want to see better for it too.
 
Title: Re: DC Extended Universe
Post by: Tomato on September 07, 2020, 02:14:03 AM
Aquaman was fine, but it had a few problems, though I do think further sequels would have to deal with less. It borrowed a lot from the N52 series, which for all its faults did at least try to do right by Aquaman. I watched it on a plane months later, and I have a lot of things to say about it (I may not be AS big a fan as Benton, but I do have a lot of affection for the character), but I'll keep that in tags so this post doesn't get bogged down.

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So the biggest issue the movie had to deal with was developing this giant gag character from Justice League into a likeable protagonist that was mentally capable of ruling a kingdom. They did a decent enough job of it, but I feel like a sequel will do the job better now that they won't have to deal with that baggage.

One thing still bothers me though... and it revolves around the ugly specter of diversity. And look, I know I have a reputation for being the guy who argues for diversity in the supporting cast, and I'm not exactly the most diplomatic sometimes when I get heated... but the reason I push so hard is actually, in part, because of Aquaman. My hair is fairly dark now, but when I was little I was blonde. As a result, I attached myself, sometimes irrationally, to superheroes in 90s cartoons who were also blonde (Hank Pym, Scarlet Spider, Aquaman) because I was able to see myself within those characters in a way I couldn't with Black haired Batman, redhead Wally Flash, or brunette Peter Parker. Now I make *no* pretense at being put upon for the "lack" or blonde haired white people in media, but it does give me insight now into how important diversity can be, because every child deserves to have a hero they can relate to in that way.

However, because of that I have a bit of a complicated relationship with Momoa's Aquaman. When pictures of him first hit the net, I was still firmly in the "denial" phase of dealing with the Snyderverse... I wanted to believe that the issues I had with MoS were going to be subverted in sequels, that there was this grand plan to build Superman into the hero he should be (that his failure with Zod was what molded him into a hero that would NEVER take a life again, rather than step one in his murder spree) but that BvS Aquaman poster really put a huge dent in that faith. I don't really dislike 90s Aquaman as much as Benton does (probably because I experienced the origin of the hook hand through the DCAU and through wikis/bios rather than having to read the actual comics) but I much prefer his orange/green look, as I feel it sets him apart from other comic heroes. And, though I hate to admit it, a small selfish part of me was upset that they were changing one of *my* heroes.

But... I gave it a chance. Snyder's reasoning that Atlantis was an island nation, and would have been inhabited by islanders before it sank, so casting Polynesian actors for Atlanteans just made sense to him. And... yeah, ok, sure. The reasoning is a little half-baked (I tend to fall into the camp that thinks they'd be Minoan), but it's more than we get for most diversity castings. And hey, this means we get a progressive Atlantis that'll be up there with Wakanda in being a technologically advanced civilization not built by white people, and that wound up making Marvel a ton of money.

Except... no, Atlantis is all white people, with stupid hairbuns that somehow make them look even MORE dorky than they ever did in the comics. And I get it, it's hard to find a full cast of Polynesian actors who have the experience to hold up a major motion picture, much less sell it to a studio that's got a track record of "safe" decisions that have led it to spiral the drain in films thus far. But like... at LEAST have variety in your extras. There's like 10 factions of Atlanteans in the movie, including several varieties of fish people. You don't need to explain why there are darker skinned people in Atlantis.

Now, you might say this doesn't matter, it's not an issue in the comics. The problem is, in the comics, Aquaman is also white. He's seen as an outsider due to his surface dweller father, and due to his "unnatural" blonde hair. In the DCEU, he's an outsider due to his dark skinned father, and due to his own dark skin. Now, the subtext of discrimination was always there in subtext, but it's easier to hand wave for the audience because it's a silly made up superstition... much like Star Trek's infamous half black half white scene. Now, you could argue that by making it more of a "real" discrimination, it makes it more visceral for the audience... but the movie never DOES anything with that fact. Aside from Orm, whose issue seems to be more mommy issues than anything else, we don't really see Arthur discriminated against in any way. Mera sees him as the rightful heir, and Volko is loyal to Arthur no question. We don't really see anyone else display even casual racism toward Arthur at any point.

And that, I think, is my biggest issue. You want to make Atlantis quasi-Polynesian, cool, there's all kinds of ways to be creative with that and give us something we've never seen before. You want to have Atlantis be white, but leave Arthur Polynesian to give the audience a more realistic feeling of Arthur's discrimination? Cool, do something with that. Have the Atlanteans/other tribes question his suitability to rule when he's "Half-surface" a "half breed" or whatever. Now, ya'll know I'm pro diversity, but if you're gonna make a big deal out of it, THAN DO SOMETHING WITH IT. It bothers me far, FAR more to see all that potential go to waste than anything Snyder did to the character (because hey, at least Wan course corrected that idiocy).

As for the others... WW was decent enough, but I've said before that the only movie I really, honestly like so far in the DCEU is Shazam, and I knew I would from the moment it was announced. Even before they officially split off Black Adam, around the time BvS was gearing up IIRC, it was announced that Shazam was being put together by a completely different studio, and the people in charge of the project flatly said that they wanted Shazam to be a fun movie. I'm hopeful for some of the others (SS2, if nothing else, will now act as my giant finger to anyone who complains Wolverine/Hawkeye's mask isn't "realistic" enough for the movies) but every time the snyder cut comes up I get flashbacks to the awful.
Title: Re: DC Extended Universe
Post by: SickAlice on September 07, 2020, 11:50:08 AM
I'm glad you two liked Shazam. I got a flack for admitting it on FB. Thing I explained there is my background is theater. I grew up with opera and such and then pursued it myself. So when I watch movies I'm attentive to the structure. Shazam was a film that didn't interest me from the ads. But to watch it the story structure was intact, the pacing was intact, the character development was as well. The acts held up and were entertaining and they kept it fresh. They pulled off suspension of disbelief against many things that one paper would be absurd in film. And again it had heart. And in WB's case again as this seems to be the trend they managed it without making it crammed. Aquaman my main fault was I felt the pacing was off and again crammed there as well, WW was crammed too and could have been two films separately. Have to concur on your spoilered points as well to at least a degree. Again all of this mind you due to how I absorb a production as well all the above still favored if for no reason than I'm biased and like things having to do with comics.
Title: Re: DC Extended Universe
Post by: Silver Shocker on December 28, 2020, 01:57:33 PM
WONDER WOMAN 1984.......

Or as Old Man Luke Skywalker once said "This is not going to go the way you think!"

....I haven't actually seen it. I don't really have time right now. I'll get to it.

HOWEVER, since I don't have a strong attachment to the WW IP, I went ahead and read extensive spoilers for the flick....and then double checked because 1. I was rather sleep-deprived at the time and didn't entirely understand what I read and 2. I wasn't convinced I didn't dream it because the plot of this movie is much stranger and more imaginative than I was expecting.

I will say, from the descriptions I read, the plot of this, high-concept that it is, sounds rather appropriate for a WW story.

I thought I had pegged what they were going to do for Maxwell Lord in this film. Apparently I was not even close.

The film also features a post-credit scene, and while I've not seen the scene myself, from the description, it's great, and gets a thumbs up from me!  :thumbup:

Thing is, it's still technically 2020 and I've been joking almost all year that the response to ANY new movie being realized is "OMG NEW MOVIE!", but this thing's plot could be absolutely wretched and it'd still be worth watching because Gal Gadot's just so darn charming and her and Chris Pine's Steve Trevor are such a cute couple.
Title: Re: DC Extended Universe
Post by: HarryTrotter on December 28, 2020, 03:38:14 PM
The summary makes it seem kinda bloated...and it seems the reviews agree. 😐
Title: Re: DC Extended Universe
Post by: Silver Shocker on December 28, 2020, 04:00:49 PM
I assumed the movie, based on all of the marketing, would be a light and fluffy 80's nostalgia fest featuring far more down to earth "mortal" villains after the first film used Ares, but apparently they felt that a WW sequel should have more magical fantasy elements since that's a big part of what sets Diana apart from her peers. I can respect that.
Title: Re: DC Extended Universe
Post by: BentonGrey on December 28, 2020, 04:26:44 PM
Sounds surprisingly promising.  The trailers looked fun.  I won't be seeing it any time soon, but I'm glad it exists.
Title: Re: DC Extended Universe
Post by: Silver Shocker on December 28, 2020, 04:36:17 PM
Before I forget: Bob Odenkirk (Saul Goodman from Breaking Bad/Better Call Saul, who used to be my avatar pic) should have been Max Lord.
Search your feelings, you know that be true.
Can't blame them for using Pedro Pascal, he's kinda the man, but Saul basically IS the original Giffen/DeMatteis version of Max Lord.
Title: Re: DC Extended Universe
Post by: HarryTrotter on December 30, 2020, 11:19:16 AM
Well the movie was...whatever...if you don't think about it too hard.

Minor spoiler,but when Not-Reagan get his wish,he wishes for more nukes. What a waste of a wish...like, wouldn't he want to destroy communism or bring Bonzo back to life?
Title: Re: DC Extended Universe
Post by: Silver Shocker on December 30, 2020, 01:31:51 PM
Without having the film myself....
...that's a good question, but I think that might file under "contrivances for the sake of a theme".
Title: Re: DC Extended Universe
Post by: HarryTrotter on December 30, 2020, 05:08:17 PM
Quote from: Silver Shocker on December 30, 2020, 01:31:51 PM
Without having the film myself....
...that's a good question, but I think that might file under "contrivances for the sake of a theme".
That's pretty much the whole movie. How can Steve pilot a modern plane? Did Diana Prince work at the same place for the last 80 years? This isn't even handwaved,really.
Title: Re: DC Extended Universe
Post by: Silver Shocker on December 31, 2020, 12:09:30 PM
Say it with me:
"It's magic, we don't have to explain it."
Also, Lex and Senator Finch from Batman V Superman apparently forgot about the Cheetah woman who was sighted jumping all over the place in 1984.
Sadly, while this flick did go on the on-demand this week, it's $30 dollars, Mulan-style. I'm not paying 30 bucks to rent any film, so I won't be seeing this for at least a few months.
Title: Re: DC Extended Universe
Post by: BentonGrey on January 01, 2021, 04:57:40 AM
$30 to rent?  That's insane!
Title: Re: DC Extended Universe
Post by: stumpy on January 01, 2021, 07:59:55 AM
It's always odd to see movie producing companies decrying piracy and then taking actions that they cannot fail to understand will increase piracy. But, it was perhaps a good time to take advantage of the free trial of HBOMax, even with the insincere feeling that "there is no way I am keeping this past the trial period."

What follows is mostly non-spoilery. But, I do hint at the general plot a bit.

Spoiler
I enjoyed WW84, somewhat. It wasn't exactly bad. Max Lord was well conceived and acted as a villain who wasn't a mustache twirler. The plot was pretty credible. Good use was made of the mid-80s as a time when the threat of nuclear war might have been realistically exacerbated by politicians' ill-made wishes. The reappearance of Steve Trevor was pretty organic to the plot and actually worthwhile in terms of Diana's character arc.

But, the movie missed so many opportunities. For one thing... 1980s music!!! How could this movie fail to have a soundtrack that was anything less than - say it with me - awesome?!? But, it did. Second, the headlining feline villain was an utter waste. She could have been trimmed from the movie and nothing would have been lost. WW could have had a couple extra fight scenes with random robots and the movie wouldn't have lost anything. And, the interactions between Gadot and Wigg were largely cringe-worthy. (That's no slam on either actor, just that the characters' interaction was a little hard to watch.) And, as an official old fart, I recall fanny packs actually being popular for about 30 seconds in the 80s. They were around (and still are). But, the idea that they were some sort of iconic article of 80s fashion...? Meh. BTW, the parachute pants bit was funny. But, it was also in the trailer, so no credit for that.

Anyway, if the option to watch the movie at a reasonable price was available (e.g. $7.99 on Prime or something), then sure, why not? $30? Nope. Especially considering that this isn't a time when people will be having viewing parties and watching with a dozen friends.
Title: Re: DC Extended Universe
Post by: Tomato on January 01, 2021, 03:03:12 PM
To be clear (because Disney messed this whole thing up with their "have Disney+ but also pay $30 for Mulan" nonsense) It's 30 to rent on all websites *other than HBO Max*. If you have HBO Max, the movie is free. As stumpy notes, you can literally just get a trial period, watch the film, and cancel, and get the whole thing for no charge. The $30 is more "we really want you to use our streaming service, but here's a high-end price if you watch it elsewhere"

That said... as someone who routinely paid for 2+ tickets to MCU films, $30 on its own (no subscription fee) isn't terrible. It's on the high end (again, trying to divert people to HBO Max) but it's not Disney's absurd "pay X for our streaming service, then $30 for our awful Mulan movie" which was just insulting.
Title: Re: DC Extended Universe
Post by: Silver Shocker on January 01, 2021, 03:57:43 PM
Canada doesn't get HBO Max, so I don't have that option.

They could have put it on Netflix, which is where the Studio Gibli movies went to in Canada, but apparently not.

I DO consider $30 unreasonable. I can go to the theatres with one other person for less than that, and buy a Blu-Ray of a film at full price for less than that (and if not, close enough, and at least I'll be able to keep the movie and it will have extras on it)
Title: Re: DC Extended Universe
Post by: Tomato on January 01, 2021, 06:23:01 PM
That's fair. There's always the vpn option, but that's another thing on top of everything else. I suppose I was more looking at it compared to Disney's absurdity.

Like, on the one hand, I get it. All these big studios are trying to figure out how to supplement the theater system, which is how they've always gotten their money for these huge multi-million dollar movies. But I agree that $30 is borderline unacceptable (again, I'm used to buying three tickets+my own concessions, so a theater trip can cost me 40+, so I'd still possibly do it if I didn't have the HBO Max option), and more than a little price-gougy. But then again... in a month or two it'll probably be down to more reasonable prices, much like Mulan was.

As for whether this one is worth it... it doesn't sound like it, but I'll probably see it soon? Like, I have access to it right now, it's just been a perpetual state of "eh, we'll get around to it"

Edit: watching it now, but to address a criticism I saw earlier, plane Steve flies is an older jet. Diana takes him to a bunch of older, possibly antique jets.
Title: Re: DC Extended Universe
Post by: BentonGrey on January 03, 2021, 12:34:14 AM
I will say that, even if they were very, very old jets, it's unlikely that a WWI pilot would have been able to just fly one.  There's, to my understanding, a huge difference between prop and jet flight.
Title: Re: DC Extended Universe
Post by: stumpy on January 03, 2021, 01:03:33 AM
Just for context, Steve wasn't shown to instantly understand how to fly the plane nor was he shown to do a perfect job of it. I mean, of course, it's silly that I WW1 pilot would be able to make sense of all the buttons and symbols on the instrument panel of a modern jet (which the Panavia Tornado definitely was in 1984), which largely didn't exist and weren't standardized when Steve last saw a plane.

But, this is a pretty small stretch by movie (much less superhero movie) standards. In addition, it was emphasized that Steve Trevor has a very intuitive understanding of the mechanics of flight. That may not mean much in the real world, but I think it doesn't qualify as a show-stopper in this movie.
Title: Re: DC Extended Universe
Post by: Nyte Dragon on January 03, 2021, 01:39:36 AM
Quote from: Silver Shocker on December 31, 2020, 12:09:30 PM
Also, Lex and Senator Finch from Batman V Superman apparently forgot about the Cheetah woman who was sighted jumping all over the place in 1984.

This is because, sadly, DC didn't want to spend time world-building like Marvel did. They wanted to leap right into the main event with JL. They wanted too much too fast, like shoving three different comic storylines in BvS, just to get to JL. DC should look to how Marvel did their movies, and Marvel should look to DC on how to do animated movies and TV series.

Quote from: stumpy on January 01, 2021, 07:59:55 AM
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the movie missed so many opportunities. For one thing... 1980s music!!! How could this movie fail to have a soundtrack that was anything less than - say it with me - awesome?!?

And, as an official old fart, I recall fanny packs actually being popular for about 30 seconds in the 80s. They were around (and still are). But, the idea that they were some sort of iconic article of 80s fashion...? Meh. BTW, the parachute pants bit was funny. But, it was also in the trailer, so no credit for that.
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No 80s music!?! NOOOooooo  :o That was why I loved  GTA: Vice City, and a bit of Saints Row 4. (It has The Touch. I am such a nerd :lol:)

And fanny packs? The Rock wore a fanny pack, so that makes it iconic, jabronie!   :P
Title: Re: DC Extended Universe
Post by: BentonGrey on January 03, 2021, 01:44:37 AM
Haha, fair point, Stumpy!
Title: Re: DC Extended Universe
Post by: HarryTrotter on January 03, 2021, 07:18:37 AM
Minor detail,but also
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dreamstone
destroyed Rome and we don't know how that happened. Only it took a few centuries and we know the causes. I own three books on that subject and Im pretty sure there are more.  If you want an example of civilization gonna in a big cataclysm, Rome is not a good example.
Title: Re: DC Extended Universe
Post by: Silver Shocker on January 04, 2021, 12:38:55 AM
Quote from: Night Dragon on January 03, 2021, 01:39:36 AM

Quote from: stumpy on January 01, 2021, 07:59:55 AM
1980s music!!! [...]- say it with me - awesome

That was why I loved  GTA: Vice City, and a bit of Saints Row 4. (It has The Touch. I am such a nerd :lol:)

Yup. I've heard an entire generation of gamers got their taste for music from games like GTA and Saints Row. I totally get it.

QuoteIf you want an example of civilization gonna in a big cataclysm, Rome is not a good example.

Well, as they say, history is written by the winners. If they covered their tracks with some of that stuff like they did in the post-credit scene in Suicide Squad, (I haven't seen WW1984, but I assume that's not the case?) it would be easier to accept.
Title: Re: DC Extended Universe
Post by: HarryTrotter on January 04, 2021, 08:23:49 AM
QuoteWell, as they say, history is written by the winners.

Thats not always the case,Mongol conquests for example. And in the case of Western Roman Empire,it took some 3 centuries of decay,and even then there was a century or so of local authorities and the Church trying to maintain order and infrastructure.
Anyway...I just found that funny because Diana is a historian and immortal.
Title: Re: DC Extended Universe
Post by: Silver Shocker on January 12, 2021, 11:29:14 AM
So I'm watching my way through Red Letter Media's review of WW1984 (they're not too kind to it) and it turns out I have to take something back:

Quote from: Night Dragon on January 03, 2021, 01:39:36 AM
Quote from: Silver Shocker on December 31, 2020, 12:09:30 PM
Also, Lex and Senator Finch from Batman V Superman apparently forgot about the Cheetah woman who was sighted jumping all over the place in 1984.

This is because, sadly, DC didn't want to spend time world-building like Marvel did. They wanted to leap right into the main event with JL. They wanted too much too fast, like shoving three different comic storylines in BvS, just to get to JL. DC should look to how Marvel did their movies, and Marvel should look to DC on how to do animated movies and TV series.
So it turns out that during the mall opening sequence, WW takes out the security cameras by throwing her tiara at them. It's small, but it's something.
Title: Re: DC Extended Universe
Post by: stumpy on January 12, 2021, 07:06:46 PM
This last bit occurred to me while watching the movie, too. In 1984, there were some security cameras, but they weren't everywhere and many places didn't even keep recordings more than a day or a week. Admittedly, any recordings of a violent incident at a public mall would have been seized by police for trial. But, even so, security camera video in those days was, frankly, terrible by today's standards.

It's largely a sign of how far we've come in terms of the presence and quality of technology that the immediate reaction to such a scene is that 20 people would have had their mobile cameras recording and there would have been at least some high-quality video clips. Not in 1984, though.

<rant>BTW, that's certainly my reaction in today's superhero movies when someone like Spider-man takes his mask off on a rooftop in New York or London or basically any large city. Guess what, Peter? You don't have a secret identity anymore! Because you take off your mask while not moving so often, at least 3 videos of you were posted last week and, out of the thousands of people who would look at such videos, dozens of them know you and know that Peter Parker was in the area. I wonder how long Flash Thompson or Brad Davis are keeping this secret? Welcome to the 24/7 Aunt May Rescue Squad! Goofball.</rant>
Title: Re: DC Extended Universe
Post by: BentonGrey on January 12, 2021, 08:43:43 PM
I haven't seen it, but from what I'm hearing, it sounds like it's a bit of a mess.  The Honest Trailers video was pretty hilarious:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pSryeC-g0Jc
Title: Re: DC Extended Universe
Post by: Silver Shocker on January 13, 2021, 05:09:18 AM
Quote from: stumpy on January 12, 2021, 07:06:46 PM
<rant>BTW, that's certainly my reaction in today's superhero movies when someone like Spider-man takes his mask off on a rooftop in New York or London or basically any large city. Guess what, Peter? You don't have a secret identity anymore! Because you take off your mask while not moving so often, at least 3 videos of you were posted last week and, out of the thousands of people who would look at such videos, dozens of them know you and know that Peter Parker was in the area. I wonder how long Flash Thompson or Brad Davis are keeping this secret? Welcome to the 24/7 Aunt May Rescue Squad! Goofball.</rant>

Oh I know. I ranted about this when I reviewed Far from Home here. And if you've seen that movie you know why.

QuoteShe does seem to get younger and younger, and in some universes is not so helpless, like the one in Spider-Verse. Heck, in at least one universe she's a herald of Galactus named Golden Oldie.

And "Spider-Maam". Mind you, I think by this point EVERY Spider-Man character has been a hero or villain. You can even swing through the streets of the Amazing Spider-Man video game as the late, great STAN LEE, complete with his own unique voice pack!

If Agent Venom makes into, say, the post credit scene of Venom 2 or something....Oh boy.

QuoteWonder Woman has been my favorite part of the DCEU.

I think a lot of people would agree with that, if only for a lack of alternatives. Wonder Woman 1 wasn't a perfect movie (it really does lose steam in the final act, and the villains are complete non-starters, per usual) but the rest of the movie? Pretty fun, and that trench scene is still some epic business to this day.

Also the music. RLM's review (which in additional to being chock full of spoilers, per usual, also blatantly disregards copyright law due to the home release as it's over a hour long and includes footage of damn near half the movie) features a short clip of the scene she takes out the cameras, and I just have to gush for a moment because this features this fun, playful remix of the usual epic heavy metal style WW movie theme that sounds like it's out of Ant-Man or something. It's fun! I'm tempted to listen to the music online later or something.

QuoteI haven't seen it, but from what I'm hearing, it sounds like it's a bit of a mess.

This seems to be the case. RLM point out that director Patty Jenkins actually WROTE the sequel (she didn't write the first one) and refused to let them cut either of the ENORMOUSLY long opening scenes and she got away with it, so they theorize she now has too much clout for her good and can't write a screenplay to save her life. (She's also doing Star Wars: Rogue Squadron, by the way, which now has some SW fans going "I have a bad feeling about this" - and I now understand why)

As I said like a month ago - the broad story for this is very appropriate for a Wonder Woman story, but there's a big problem with it, and my old friend Benjamin Sisco knows exactly what it is. (1m 40s mark) (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=93T5mDctQZE)

Also I'm going to say it - I hate the Kingdom Come armor. Color balance - it's a thing for a reason people. There's a reason the current tv costume for Supergirl is terrible, and it is not the lack of a skirt.

QuoteThe Honest Trailers video was pretty hilarious:
Watching it right now. I say, hot DAMN and I thought the Suicide Squad one was savage. "Hot mess" and "I ain't touching that one" doesn't even cover it (also, people of earth, I encourage you all to take two minutes on google and actually look up the character of Maxwell Lord and what he looked like in the comics and cartoons)
To quote The Ghostbusters: "There's something weird.....and it don't look good (let's get a beer.)"

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When I got to "google 'how to cancel HBO MAX free trial." I all of the died.  :D

"Derr, what's a trash can?" Yup.
Pedro Pascal: "I was good, but I can be better *shows The Mandalorian* this is, in fact, the way. Also Mando better at female characters than WW. 
Title: Re: DC Extended Universe
Post by: stumpy on January 13, 2021, 07:54:21 AM
IMO, for all of the little things wrong with the movie on a detail level (cameras, Steve knowing how to fly a jet but not knowing what a subway train was, etc.) and larger things from a movie-making standpoint (long opening scene that kinda pays off later thematically, but puts strain on the pacing), one of the biggest issues is that the consequences of Steve's appearance and actions are not really considered and that's pretty out of character (and unheroic) for Diana. And, possibly worse, it seems completely unnecessary.

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I mean,

Why have Steve come back as mind-implanted in the body of some other dude? It serves almost no purpose in the plot. It certainly wasn't necessary, since the completely magical wish stone could have just re-created Steve as himself with his own body. And, what does the story lose from that? Nothing.

And it causes so many issues.

  • People have pointed out that it's more than a little weird that Steve's being around has - at the very least - displaced some innocent person. That person is shown to have a life, career, hobbies, etc.
  • While I can certainly understand Steve and Diana wanting to satisfy the Seventy Year Itch, there is something obviously icky about using someone else's body for that. Especially since, at that point, they have no reason to believe he isn't aware of it and won't remember it. At least in Ghost there was consent.
  • The kahuna of questionable issues regarding Steve/non-Steve: IMO, the biggest thing is that Steve running around in combat with WW puts this other guy's life in danger, repeatedly! It's not just, "Hehe, isn't it great that Steve is helping out, even though WW is really the butt-kicker?" It's, "Hmm. If Steve dies or is seriously injured, the guy whose body he has hijacked becomes SOL as the price for Steve's heroic exploits."
Now, I am willing to cut some slack because of circumstances. 1) For sure, Steve nor Diana chose him to come back in someone else's body. If that's as far as it went, then they can't be blamed for something they didn't cause. But, they are pretty much responsible for the things they chose to do once it was clear what had happened. 2) And, as a mitigating factor, the End of the World™ is pretty solid. Putting someone's life in danger as part of staving off Armageddon is at least at the lighter end of the grey area.

The problem is that the movie never addresses these things. It's kinda, "Derp! What fun that we can use this guy's body for sexy time fun and then run around getting shot at and engaging in combat with super-powered opponents!"

Anyway, for any superhero movie, there are going to be some things you just have to ignore. But, that was a pretty big elephant dancing in the corner. I enjoyed the movie. But, it didn't leave nearly the positive impression that the first WW did.
Title: Re: DC Extended Universe
Post by: Silver Shocker on January 13, 2021, 11:58:53 AM
Yeah, I think you covered all your bases on that one. As Alfred once said "I'm not touching that one, sir" (and the fact that that scene STILL isn't on YT after all these days baffles me. Not even as part of an Alfred supercut) I've only got like 3 things to add:

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1. They painted themselves into a corner on this one, and they clearly did it by accident.

2. When Friends (which I've been hearing people say for years is problematic and holds up really bad) handled a comparable situation better, that's pretty bad.

3. Because I am indeed a morbid fellow. Here's a thought (I'll have to keep watching RLM's video to see if this is their minds go; would not be surprised) What if THIS was got her to hang up the costume until Batman V. Superman and what made her hit Bruce when he mentioned Steve in Justice League? The sad thing is, it lines up better than the actual canon explanation. Wonder Woman's "Last Jedi" phase.

And to think, I just thought it would get people talking if movie WW snapped Maxwell Lord's neck like the comics....."I've killed things from other worlds before" *Obi-Wan Kenobi circa Revenge of the Sith "That...that business in the 80's doesn't count"
Title: Re: DC Extended Universe
Post by: Shogunn2517 on March 19, 2021, 06:43:11 AM
Quote from: Shogunn2517 on November 17, 2017, 10:40:48 AM
Okay, saw Justice League tonight and here are my more comprehensive impressions.

Coming into it I expected the movie to be as flawed and aggravating as pretty much every movie in the DCEU has been since it started.  Man of Steel was watchable, but frustrating.  Batman vs Superman was a unmitigated mess.  Suicide Squad, I barely could take seriously.  Wonder Woman was the most entertaining of the bunch but the plotholes left me a bunch of questions.  So given the problems(mostly artistic and weird characterizations that stick out like a sore thumb.  That and the whole building of the DCEU seemed awfully generic and rushed.  So it was an understatement to say that much expectations were low, but I kind wanted it to confirm my expectations to be as bad as I assumed it would be.  But it wasn't actually.  I can't say it was good or even watchable, but it had it's fun moments and it was fun to see the team together.  Yes, I couldn't help but to almost verbalize every question of the gaping plot holes I'd see, but there's meat on the DCEU's bones.  Might be rotted.  Might be mostly fat.  But it's there.

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So first of all, ALL of the problems each of these characters had in their previous films were still living and breathing in this film.  They even introduced more.  Still have absolutely no idea why Wonder Woman decided to take a 100 year break from civilization.  Why is Batman of all people so team-oriented all of sudden when he clearly hasn't been prior.  The Flash's suit is probably the MOST ridiculous costume I have ever seen.  Cyborg actually gives him a run for his money though.  He looked a mess, but they made up for it.  They really could have done a better job explaining his origin, which was glossed over very thoroughly.  And I'm sorry, I know it's still not popular, but almost everything about Aquaman really thaws my grill!!!  I like what they did with his powers and the underwater sequences.  He seemed adequately powered when fighting Steppenwolf.  But outside of that Jason Momoa's characterization was just... wacky.  I expected Aquaman to be more "warrior"-like not the "trucker"/"biker" type he seemed more like.  And yes, Jason Momoa himself... still can't understand the casting decision.  Maybe it would have made more sense if we saw Atlanteans and saw they all were Polynesian or the like, but no... Mera... she looked exactly like her comic iteration does.  Okay maybe Aquaman's dad was ethnic.  But what's the point?  Whatever, I'll go on. 

One of the bigger plot points of the movie was Mother Boxes on earth.  There were 3 and because Superman died, they somehow I guess ranged a dinner bell to Apokolips, calling Steppenwolf to return to Earth after the combined Atlanteans, Amazons and "tribes of Earth"(and the Green Lantern) beat him last time.  Why he waited like 1,000 years to come back, I'm still not sure.  But he figured now that Superman's dead, he can come back and get the Mother Boxes and put them together to do whatexactlyImstillnotsure.  Anyway, Atlanteans had one, Amazons had another and for whatever reason, Cyborg's dad ended up with the 3rd one.  And it was that 3rd one they figured they could use to bring Superman back to life.  And they did.  But when they did he came back angry and violent, kicking everybody's arse, in some dress pants, when he was just wearing a full suit a half a second earlier.(Speaking of suits... more on that at the end.)  I gotta admit one bright spot of this film is I think it did to Superman what BvS did with Batman.  He finally wasn't a brooding, depressive, ornery, jerk.  From the get-go he was smiling and being pleasant.  After he was resurrected and (for some random reason) decided to not be homicidally mad at the end sequence, he was a team player, cracking jokes and just being all around... super.

But as far as the other parts of the movie go, it seemed reeeeeeeeallllly slow and dragged out at the beginning, but it almost seemed like they were trying to show mini-movies or what movies for each of them would be like, but put it in one movie.  So it was kind a little all over the map.  But when they finally got to the ending sequence, stopping Steppenwolf from from putting the Mother Boxes together for whatever, they had a good plan.  But by the Superman showed up to give the other five a fighting chance(I mean really, half those guys shouldn't have much problem with Steppenwolf to begin with) don't know why but all the Paradeamons decided to stop attacking and let Superman and Cyborg pull apart the Mother Boxes.  And then all the Paradeamons decided to go kick Steppenwolf's butt... for some reason.

So, unless you can't tell, the plot of this movie is a steaming stinking mess and makes absolutely no sense when you put thought in it.  Still not entirely sure they thought to use Steppenwolf of all villains.  Aquaman's a biker.  Batman is all Kumbaya all of sudden.  Flash was fun, but a little too silly and slapstick.  Cyborg was okay.  Looked hellaweird, though he made himself look more like how we're use to seeing him by the epilogue.  And Superman... yes, he was nicer, but his return just seemed too convenient and they just skipped way too many details(Clark Kent just comes back to life all of sudden too?  He comes back to life a raging lunatic, but sees Lois and just forgets how much he hates Batman?)  Wonder Woman was pretty consistent.  Other than the fact she seemed to handle Doomsday pretty easily, but Steppenwolf is too much for her to handle?  But other than all that I laid out, which was hard to miss, it was fun seeing the team together.  Pretty much everyone was handled pretty well IMO.  The scripting was too bad.  Nice few easter eggs.  THRILLED they actually used Elfman's Batman theme(which makes me wonder why they couldn't use Williams' Superman theme).  I can't say it was great.  Or really all that good.  But it was entertaining for a bit.  Nothing to brag about.

BTW, the post-credit scenes, a scene with Superman and the Flash betting on a race and showing an escaped Lex Luthor, who now wears a 3-piece suit, but sporting an unnecessary bald head.  Last we saw him he was somewhere between slacker millennial but now he's debonair business mastermind.  Well he was rather assisted or called Deathstroke to a yacht to talk about putting together his own team.  So... I suppose the sequel will feature an Injustice League/Legion of Doom... which makes me wonder about Darkseid and when and if they'll use him.

So I actually went back and found my original impressions of the theatrical Justice League now that I finally finished the Snyder Cut. And to be honest, I still have a lot of those same issues. A while there were some fixes, there are a few more than continues to irk/confuse me.

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First of all, my overall impressionis that this is still largely much of the same movie complete with my issues of the DCEU. I thought Superman was dour and depressing in MoS and BvS and where the JL I thought fixed that the SC took it away. And then made it a point to further give him a black suit and I'm honestly not so sure why. Aquaman is still way too "bro" for me. Cyborg is still given Barry a run for dorkiest costume. And again, they made it right just to undo here. And Wonder Woman, while my second favorite character, parts of her story confuses me. And Batman, as much as i liked what Ben Affleck did, this movie makes the fact that they shelved his solo movie that much more harder to accept.

Overall, honestly the movie felt like the first one but put in all of the deleted and filmed but cut scenes they had from the first movie. I'm THRILLED Darkseid wasn't just "named checked, he felt more like THE villain. I'm glad they gave Cyborg more shine and expanded his entire story.  (literally one of my complaints above.) The ending, which seemed like a bunch of "oh by the way" scenes put in an epilogue. I'm actually not sure how any of it helped. Liked the first one better. Overall while it was more enjoyable than the first, despite the 4 hour.
Title: Re: DC Extended Universe
Post by: Shogunn2517 on March 19, 2021, 06:46:10 AM
One more Thing...
Can someone tell me why
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Superman is wearing a black costume?
Title: Re: DC Extended Universe
Post by: HarryTrotter on March 19, 2021, 06:55:27 PM
Snyder cut fixes some things. Some things. It looks better,it improved characterization of basically everyone but its still the same joyless movie as before. It's 4 hours long and it really feels like 4 hours.
Title: Re: DC Extended Universe
Post by: Shogunn2517 on March 19, 2021, 08:00:19 PM
Quote from: HarryTrotter on March 19, 2021, 06:55:27 PM
Snyder cut fixes some things. Some things. It looks better,it improved characterization of basically everyone but its still the same joyless movie as before. It's 4 hours long and it really feels like 4 hours.

Yeah pretty joyless. In fact that's one of my complaints about the movie. It seems as if he made it a point to remove the joy that JW put in it.
Title: Re: DC Extended Universe
Post by: HarryTrotter on March 19, 2021, 08:12:21 PM
Quote from: Shogunn2517 on March 19, 2021, 08:00:19 PM
Quote from: HarryTrotter on March 19, 2021, 06:55:27 PM
Snyder cut fixes some things. Some things. It looks better,it improved characterization of basically everyone but its still the same joyless movie as before. It's 4 hours long and it really feels like 4 hours.

Yeah pretty joyless. In fact that's one of my complaints about the movie. It seems as if he made it a point to remove the joy that JW put in it.
There was no joy to be found in that one either. That's my whole point.
Title: Re: DC Extended Universe
Post by: Silver Shocker on June 20, 2021, 06:53:09 PM
So I put off talking about this for a few months, but in the words of the great John Hammond....today, I guarantee it.

The Flash movie will include Micheal Keaton as Bruce Wayne (who appears to be sporting similar hair to the hair he had in Batman 89 - nice touch) but also Supergirl.

Behind the scenes pics have finally come out, showing her in the costume, minus the CGI cape, no doubt.  (https://twitter.com/CaptCanuck66/status/1406651284787105799?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1406651284787105799%7Ctwgr%5E%7Ctwcon%5Es1_&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.cbr.com%2Fflash-movie-bts-keaton-supergirl-and-batmobile%2F)

The actress is a dark haired Latina, which I'm fine with - I've heard she's good in stuff I've never heard of.

I can roll with the red-blue on top  - it kinda looks like the Andrew Garfield Amazing Spider-Man 1 costume mixed with the shoulders of the 80's Supergirl costume, but the all-blue bottom half is hideous IMO. I've said it before and I'll say it again. Color balance is a thing. It doesn't have to be a skirt, and it doesn't have to be that weird New 52 one with the exposed knees, but you gotta have something going on in that area.

The black hair does make me wonder if she's Cir-El, but she wore a black costume, not red and blue.
Title: Re: DC Extended Universe
Post by: UnkoMan on August 06, 2021, 11:45:23 PM
Alright folks, are we talking about The Suicide Squad in here yet?

I know I've got different taste than the majority of people here but... This is the best DC movie since Dark Knight.
And you know what? I really enjoyed Birds of Prey.

Harley is used well but sparingly enough. You can tell Margot Robbie loves the character.
Idris and John Cena are awesome.
Rick Flag actually DOES STUFF and comes across as way more Rick. Plus they get him in a yellow t-shirt.
King Shark has some cute "Hulk" moments.
One complaint?
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They kill Boomerang off right away. He was one of the very few good things in the first one. I didn't like it though I can see why they'd do it.

Yeah, I was a fan. What did you folks think?
Title: Re: DC Extended Universe
Post by: BentonGrey on August 07, 2021, 01:04:48 AM
I'm hearing good things about it.  How much does it expect you to know or care about the first movie?
Title: Re: DC Extended Universe
Post by: detourne_me on August 07, 2021, 01:30:03 AM
Wejust got back from the theater. It was excellent. Best DC movie in a while, and I liked Birds of Prey, too. I thought it was better than Black Widow.  My wife really loved it, especially Harley, she never saw the other Harley movies so this was her  first exposure to the character!
Title: Re: DC Extended Universe
Post by: UnkoMan on August 07, 2021, 03:33:34 AM
Quote from: BentonGrey on August 07, 2021, 01:04:48 AM
I'm hearing good things about it.  How much does it expect you to know or care about the first movie?

Requires zero knowledge of the first movie or even of the concept.

However, if you are expecting a serious take on a specific comic or version of SS, drop that expectation. This will not meet that.
What this is, is a goofy, extremely violent (but so over the top as to not be realistic) romp. It's a solid cartoonish action movie, inspired by comics but definitely doing its own thing. They even manage to toss in a bit of backstory now and then.
It's not be for everybody, but it is fun.
Title: Re: DC Extended Universe
Post by: Silver Shocker on August 08, 2021, 06:20:38 AM
Yeah, I saw it Saturday afternoon. As I've mentioned many times, I'm a huge fan of the Ostrander run of the comics, and I kinda hated the first movie.

I loved this one. It's at least as good as Shazam, probably better if I'm honest, and yeah, it's pretty much the best DC movie since The Dark Knight (first one I've seen in theatres since The Dark Knight Rises, as it happens).

Yeah, you don't need to know anything from the first Suicide Squad to follow this. Everything in it is in the movie itself, even the fact that Harley and Flag already know each other. If you know who Harley Quinn is and who her abusive boyfriend was - and you do - you're golden.

Two things I appreciate a lot over the first - 1. Amanda Waller is used better in this than the first one IMO and 2. The Belle Reve support staff are in the movie. In the Ostrander comics, while Waller is a manipulative jerk - like in this - John and the rest of the staff are nice people just doing their jobs, and that's demonstrated here in a way I really appreciated. Ostrander himself is in the movie as the Belle Reve doctor.

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Yeah, I was shocked that Boomer gets it at the very beginning of the movie, and I'm a big Captain Boomerang fan, but I'm ok with it because it was bold and sets the tone for the movie, and because Jai Courtney already killed it as Boomer in the first one. Plus Boomerang is an opportunistic scumbag so he kinda had it coming. Plus I couldn't help but notice his boomerang appeared to be glowing which I like to think is a reference to Brightest Day where he came back to life with the power to shoot energy boomerangs out of his hands.

And yes, Rick Flag is used better in this. In the first one, he didn't seem to care much when Waller wastes an entire room full of her own people, but in this he's dead set on leaking info to the press when he finds out the Americans were behind the whole situation and he gets killed by Peacemaker for it.

It's full of R-rated violence and dark comedy, but I see a lot of that James Gunn Guardians DNA in here - cute animal characters that are actually useful, and goofy characters like Ratcatcher and Polka-Dot Man are actually really useful and well thought out characters. Harley Quinn obsessively carrying an object without knowing exactly what it's for has a really nice payoff.

Idris Elba and Margot Robbie kill it in this movie, but they're consistently great, so it's not really surprising. John Cena's pretty great in this too. As a Doctor Who fan, Peter Capaldi as The Thinker made me happy. 
Title: Re: DC Extended Universe
Post by: Tomato on August 09, 2021, 03:24:42 AM
I just watched it, i thoroughly enjoyed it. I would probably not enjoy it if this was the tone of, say, a Justice League film, but it works perfectly well for the SS.

Definitely not for kids.
Title: Re: DC Extended Universe
Post by: HarryTrotter on August 11, 2021, 02:01:11 PM
Great movie. It has
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Starro
and Pete Davidson dying horribly. What more do you need, really?
Title: Re: DC Extended Universe
Post by: GhostMachine on August 11, 2021, 08:12:16 PM
Nathan Fillion's character was created for the movie, but is based on a rather lame Legion of Super-Heroes character.

And Margot Robbie did Harley's escape stunt herself, rather than a stunt double being used.

On a scale of 5, I gave the first SS movie a 3.75, while this one is close to a 4.5.

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The cutscene at the end did not make me happy at all.
Title: Re: DC Extended Universe
Post by: UnkoMan on August 14, 2021, 11:36:05 PM
Ghost,

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Do you mean with Peacemaker? I guess it's on account of those three being in the upcoming Peacemaker series. My brother worked on this and says it's going to be a hoot.
Before the credits scene I had assumed it was going to be a prequel and, honestly, I'd have liked that.

Got me with the Rick Flag fakeout. I had REALLY hoped Flag would live after this movie.
Title: Re: DC Extended Universe
Post by: Silver Shocker on August 15, 2021, 02:36:07 AM
I had the same thoughts on that. I didn't realize that that was who those two other people were. Good to know.
Title: Re: DC Extended Universe
Post by: docdelorean88 on August 16, 2021, 05:07:54 AM
I definitely mimick what everyone is saying, no prior knowledge needed. The villain is a freaking dream come true, like, I didn't know if we'd ever see *insert villain* on the big screen, let alone in this age of dc movies/uncertainty, but my god it is a thing of beauty. Lots of over the top cartoons gore, but as mentioned above the tone and levity this movie has regarding itself manages to tone down gore.

Viola Davis gets the script and screen time she deserved for Waller the first time around. I was very excited whenever her scenes came up, because you love to hate Waller.

I'm just reiterating everything thats already been said, but being hesitant of not just the characters picked but not knowing anything about the plot, I was more than pleasantly surprised by just how much I enjoyed it
Title: Re: DC Extended Universe
Post by: HarryTrotter on February 05, 2023, 11:57:36 AM
We had an announcement for DCEU by James Gunn. Creature Commandos and The Authority seem like Gunn projects. Him taking an obscure comic group and just doing whatever with it worked before. Everything else, I'm not sure how it's supposed to work. Superman is young and just comming to Metropolis,Batman already has a 10 y.o. son,there were other superheros before...idk how they will connect all this.
Title: Re: DC Extended Universe
Post by: gengoro on February 17, 2023, 04:49:37 PM
^They should just keep it all separate instead of trying to do the Marvel formula. Joker and all the Batman films are all highly regarded and not interconnected.
Title: Re: DC Extended Universe
Post by: UnkoMan on February 18, 2023, 05:10:58 PM
I do agree with that. Just do a bunch of decent but separate things.
And like, give little crossover cameos if you want, whatever, but no need to tie everything into one big overarching plot.

This will stop things from having the Marvel feel of everything is a commercial for the next thing.

Anyhow, we'll see what happens. Peacemaker was a pretty fun (if gory and adult) series though!
Title: Re: DC Extended Universe
Post by: HarryTrotter on March 01, 2023, 04:06:28 PM
Oh yeah,and before we actually get to that rebooted Gunn universe,we have some leftovers from the current one. Including a movie where Ezra Miller plays 2 versions of Barry Allen.

And hey, it's awesome that Michael Keaton is back as Batman, but they picked the wrong movie to throw him in.
Title: Re: DC Extended Universe
Post by: Randomdays on March 01, 2023, 05:38:30 PM
Batmam? Oh no, not her!

:)
Title: Re: DC Extended Universe
Post by: UnkoMan on April 21, 2023, 09:29:52 PM
Batgirl looked like it would have been pretty cool actually, ha ha ha.
With Keaton as Batman AND Brendan Frasier as Firefly!